Which do you prefer out of a Level 1000 characther?

[Ao the Overkitty]

Will Ao be a member of the party or a patron giving your party some of its quests?

Sorry, i don't go on these silly adventuring things. I'm too busy preping and running my levelless game.

At 1000th level, Ao is holding the lantern...

I hold no one's lantern.

Some friends theorized about this a while back, we came up with a postulate we call "lootworld".

The basic concept is, once a party becomes so high level that they can kill everything on their planet, take it's stuff and XP, they then kill the deities of their world, take their stuff. Then, via spelljamming, they travel to crystal sphere after crystal sphere and kill them and take their stuff, as the entire wealth of worlds is accumulated behind them, so large it not only develops it's own gravity, it retains an atmosphere, and becomes impossible to tow, so a "lootworld" is retained as a homeworld by these ever-levelling super(anti)heroes, as it gathers the entire material weath of the material plane, as well as most of the outer planes, leaving billions and billions of dead mortals and hundreds of dead gods in their wake.

I figure that's what a character has to do to reach Level 1000, especially to get the appropriate treasure level.

The plan starts to break down once overdeities start sealing their Crystal Spheres and severing planar connections to keep everything out, to protect their worlds, or they run into deities with the Salient Divine Abilty combination of Supreme Initiative and Life & Death (i.e. automatically goes first in combat before any non-divine being, and can kill any number of non-divine being at any range including across planar boundaries with no saving throw.), Even though they gave gods stats, they still have a few "I automatically win over mortals" powers. That or their genocide of entire worlds gets them sucked into Ravenloft, where they promptly become Dark Lords and are never seen again, and eventually the overdeities of the pillaged worlds rebuild their ruined spheres, leaving the mythical golden planet of "lootworld" somewhere unknown out there in the cosmos.

Okay, is it just me or does this actually sound like a good premise for what is going on behind the scenes of a campaign. Intrepid heroes must rise up and stop these beings from destroying all of Creation. A mighty task indeed.

 

[Fieari]

Upper Krust is of the opinion that you should be able to have meaningful interactions with beings as low as on half your ECL, and as much as four times your ECL, which covers the range from "Cannon Fodder" to "Uber Nemesis you are questing for the artifact which will enable Deus Ex Machina to save the day", so fighting ECL 1500 mages is reasonable for a party of four ECL 1000 characters. And St. Cuthbert is nowhere NEAR powerful enough for this party. He's well below Cannon Fodder level. Don't even bother for meaningful interactions.

Nono. At ECL 1000, you're dealing with the Psuedonatural Plane. You're dealing with Primal Forces of the universe. Wanna take on the concept of death itself? How about someone trying to eradicate the very concept of Love itself? This is stuff that the gods your lesser creatures worship can't even think of touching.

You might have to deal with some Oricalcum Golems (CR 1000 exactly) or perhaps Nuetronium Golems (CR 1181). It might be interesting to try dealing with the mage with the caster level of 2000 that it takes to make such monstrosities, which, incidentally, have a base fly (perfect) speed of 5,621,108,617 feet, which is slightly faster than the speed of light, and can deal 1000d6 blast damage in a 10,000 mile radius as a free action once per round, on top of a number of other abilites...

The first ability block has the advantage that you might be able to retrieve your weapon from the super gravity that the golem produces (Strength Check, DC 158). On the other hand, a mere 1000d10-3000 (2500) hp is NOT going to cut it here, since it'll be doing 3500 damage to you a round in blast damage alone, not counting its full attack... and attacking it melee anyway is going to deal an average of 1750 damage to you per swing. Better to keep ranged, so you won't need that stupidly insane strength anyway, and might be able to survive a little longer.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hi there Nyeshet!

Just out of curiosity, what type of quests, monsters, etc would one face at that level.

Neutronium Golems, Lipika (retired Supreme Beings), Macrobes (think Devastation Template on normal sized creatures), Sentient Demiplanes, Time Lords, Black Hole/Nexus/Quasar Dragons etc.

If you go by the DDG most deities are too low a CR to grant XP if conquered. Even if you go by the stats on Dicefreaks most deities, etc are still too low in CR to grant XP to a 1000th level character.

Anything of CR 250+ (Elder God or above) should generate EXP.

Unless you are attacking small pantheons, perhaps?

A pantheon (which would collectively weigh in equivalent to something like CR 500) probably wouldn't have much chance of causing an upset. Though I suppose if they were fully prepared they could bring uber-artifacts to bear like Pandora's Box or the Tablets of Destiny; and this might give them an even money chance.

I honestly cannot imagine such a high level game.

I can.

I once created a hypothetical 100th level character just to get a feel for what some posters on epic were talking about, but this is an entire magnitude (or three, or four) of difference.

I think a 1000th-level character under the current epic level rules is going to prove a bit unwieldy. Key areas such as equipment/wealth, skills, spells and so forth, need addressing - although there are fairly simple solutions to all these problems.

 

[Yair]

Well, we are talking about in the neighborhood of 4000 cubic kilometers of solid gold in wealth here, by my calculations.

Not that they would actually have that in gold pieces, most likely. But if they tried to liquidate, look out world!

I wonder, at what point will a pile of gp equal to the PCs wealth collapse into a black hole under its own weight?

 

[Bartmanhomer]

Nah, he was sighted showing this off in other places. It makes me sad. :\

--Impeesa--

The spreadsheet in the link which Impeesa mentioned it before. And believe me, I have a very hard time in those links! And I really don't want to start any drama because I use Final Fantasy items!

 

[Andor]

What I can't comprehend is a fighter going all the way to 1000th level without multiclassing...

 

[Ibram]

I wonder, at what point will a pile of gp equal to the PCs wealth collapse into a black hole under its own weight?

some quick math and we learn that 6.59E26 gold pieces have the same mass as earth

2.195E32 gold pieces has the same mass as the sun

if we assume that a star must be at least 20 times as massive as the sun to become a black hole we find that 4.390E33 gold pieces are needed to become a black hole

this assumes that the gold pieces in the campaing have the same weight as listed in the PHB, that is 1/3 ounce with 50 gold weighing in at 1 pound.

 

[Bartmanhomer]

Well, I'll gave it's some thought and I'll prefer the second one! Between that, I'm surprised that none of you doesn't seems to have a problem with it! I'm very glad about that!

 

[Bartmanhomer]

Oh yeah, I just figure out what my fighter HP is! 28,000 HP!

 

[Bartmanhomer]

The second line. Just realize that once you use the starting gold (basically all the gold in Faerun, Eberron, or some other world) you will likely have magic items of +100 or more to each stat.

As for what I would want for a 1000+ level character (regardless of class), I think a Crystal Sphere would do nicely. I presume such would be an extremely major (and rare) artifact typically held by over-deities, but then I would expect the 1k+ level chartacter to be at least of that status. Will Ao be a member of the party or a patron giving your party some of its quests?

What a Crystal Sphere?