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WotC Which releases do you own?

Which WotC 5E Products do you own?

  • Player's Handbook

    Votes: 173 98.3%
  • Dungeon Master's Guide

    Votes: 169 96.0%
  • Monster Manual

    Votes: 165 93.8%
  • Hoard of the Dragon Queen

    Votes: 66 37.5%
  • Rise of Tiamat

    Votes: 57 32.4%
  • Princes of the Apocalypse

    Votes: 73 41.5%
  • Out of the Abyss

    Votes: 77 43.8%
  • Sword Coast Adventurer's Guide

    Votes: 108 61.4%
  • Curse of Strahd

    Votes: 80 45.5%
  • Storm King's Thunder

    Votes: 69 39.2%
  • Volo's Guide to Monsters

    Votes: 135 76.7%
  • Tales of the Yawning Portal

    Votes: 91 51.7%
  • Tomb of Annihilation

    Votes: 78 44.3%
  • Xanathar's Guide to Everything

    Votes: 142 80.7%
  • Mordenkainen's Tome of Foes

    Votes: 119 67.6%
  • Waterdeep: Dragon Heist

    Votes: 71 40.3%
  • Waterdeep: Dungeon of the Mad Mage

    Votes: 72 40.9%
  • Guildmasters' Guide to Ravnica

    Votes: 59 33.5%
  • Tyranny of Dragons

    Votes: 36 20.5%
  • Ghosts of Saltmarsh

    Votes: 85 48.3%
  • Acquisitions Incorporated

    Votes: 32 18.2%
  • Baldur's Gate: Descent Into Avernus

    Votes: 68 38.6%
  • Eberron: Rising from the Last War

    Votes: 88 50.0%
  • Explorer's Guide to Wildemount

    Votes: 55 31.3%
  • Mythic Odysseys of Theros

    Votes: 31 17.6%
  • Starter Set

    Votes: 88 50.0%
  • Essentials Kit

    Votes: 67 38.1%

  • Total voters
    176
I've purchased many more official WotC books than I have in editions past. Most of it has to do with personal reasons for myself - having more discretionary income, finding cheaper prices on Amazon (instead of supporting my FLGS - something I need to re-examine when my local shops reopen because I'm feeling some guilt at this), having more storage space in my house. The other aspect is that there's less 3PP material to spend money on. I bought a lot of Goodman Games, Necromancer, etc., back in the 3.x era.
A few of my most recent impulse buys (Eberron, Saltmarsh, Avernus, Dungeon of the Mad Mage) I probably wouldn't have picked up in earlier times for the reasons above.
 

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prabe

Aspiring Lurker (He/Him)
Supporter
The line is somewhere, and 2019 was pushing it. They released 4 major products in 2018, and I bought 4. They released 7 major products in 2019, and I bought 4.
I only recently starting picking up the setting-books, because it was dawning on me (I'm slow sometimes but I can be taught) that WotC weren't going to be releasing a player-option book anytime soon, and if I wanted non-UA versions of some of the player-option things I liked I needed to get them from setting-books. I was buying even less than you, until that--and I'm still not buying adventure-books.
 


Parmandur

Legend
I only recently starting picking up the setting-books, because it was dawning on me (I'm slow sometimes but I can be taught) that WotC weren't going to be releasing a player-option book anytime soon, and if I wanted non-UA versions of some of the player-option things I liked I needed to get them from setting-books. I was buying even less than you, until that--and I'm still not buying adventure-books.
Really, the Ravnica model makes player crunch books and monster books obsolete for me. It gives me e everything I want in a tidy Smorgasbord.
 




Parmandur

Legend
It shows that the 5e releases are connected to 5e, yes. It does not show that the release schedule is connected to why 5e has been as successful as it is.
Frankly, we don't have the marketing data. WotC does. And Stewart et Al have said that the release schedule is based on their marketing data, to maximize enfranchisement. Their statements correspond to what I can see in action, so the burden of proof is in those who would doubt the release strategy, for me.
 

prabe

Aspiring Lurker (He/Him)
Supporter
Really, the Ravnica model makes player crunch books and monster books obsolete for me. It gives me e everything I want in a tidy Smorgasbord.
Eh. I find the setting stuff ... unhelpful, and I was kinda surprised that for a setting based on M:tG there were so few spells (none, IIRC). I'll drop the occasional monster in, and I'll use the one subclass I wanted from Ravnica. I'm not entirely sure I'm getting my money's worth from the book, but that doesn't mean it's wrong for someone else to find it as complete as you do. Horses, meet courses.
 

Maxperson

Morkus from Orkus
No, I think having too little vs having to many is a fine line. And once you cross it there is no return.
What is too many? 63? I think so. 53? 43? 33? 23?

And I don't think the line is as fine as you think it is. 3e didn't start to collapse after it got it's first 10 or 20 books. It didn't really start to get super cumbersome until 30 or 40. Then they started having to stretch for ideas to release and the releases become more unbalanced.
 

Parmandur

Legend
Eh. I find the setting stuff ... unhelpful, and I was kinda surprised that for a setting based on M:tG there were so few spells (none, IIRC). I'll drop the occasional monster in, and I'll use the one subclass I wanted from Ravnica. I'm not entirely sure I'm getting my money's worth from the book, but that doesn't mean it's wrong for someone else to find it as complete as you do. Horses, meet courses.
There are one or two spells in there. They were making a concious effort to use as much straight D&D rules as possible, to make it "D&D in Ravnica" not "Magic RPG."

But, yeah, I love that sort of thing, so it works for me.
 

Maxperson

Morkus from Orkus
The line is somewhere, and 2019 was pushing it. They released 4 major products in 2018, and I bought 4. They released 7 major products in 2019, and I bought 4.
There weren't 7 major products released. Adventures are not major releases. There were Wildmount, Acquisitions Inc. and Eberron as major releases.
 

Parmandur

Legend
What is too many? 63? I think so. 53? 43? 33? 23?

And I don't think the line is as fine as you think it is. 3e didn't start to collapse after it got it's first 10 or 20 books. It didn't really start to get super cumbersome until 30 or 40. Then they started having to stretch for ideas to release and the releases become more unbalanced.
Per Nate Stewart (in some talk or another), somewhere around more than 1 product per Quarter is where the line is. And he is the one in a position of knowledge.
 


Parmandur

Legend
There weren't 7 major products released. Adventures are not major releases. There were Wildmount, Acquisitions Inc. and Eberron as major releases.
Yes, they are. That which is easily asserted, can be easily dismissed. Multi-hundred page books looking to sell hundreds of thousands of copies are indeed major releases.

  • Stranger Things box set
  • Ghosts of Saltmarsh
  • Essentials Set
  • Descent into Avernus
  • Acquisitions Incorporated
  • Rick & Morty box set
  • Rising from the Last War

Seven major products.
 

darjr

I crit!
What is too many? 63? I think so. 53? 43? 33? 23?

And I don't think the line is as fine as you think it is. 3e didn't start to collapse after it got it's first 10 or 20 books. It didn't really start to get super cumbersome until 30 or 40. Then they started having to stretch for ideas to release and the releases become more unbalanced.
That’s the point amid a fine line, no one knows. Sometimes not until AFTER you’ve crossed it.

And that is the dilemma. How close do you dare? What’s the wise move? Definitely NOT to let greed to drive you to release more and more books just to eat your seed corn.
 

Maxperson

Morkus from Orkus
Per Nate Stewart (in some talk or another), somewhere around more than 1 product per Quarter is where the line is. And he is the one in a position of knowledge.
Okay. 24 quarters and 5e only has 6 books of crunch. That's one book every 4 quarters, and includes the core 3. Compare that to 3e where they had 63 books of crunch during the same 24 quarters.

Adventures don't count. They didn't cause bloat or issues for 1e, 2e, 3e, or 4e. They aren't going to cause issues for 5e.
 


Maxperson

Morkus from Orkus
Yes, they are. That which is easily asserted, can be easily dismissed. Multi-hundred page books looking to sell hundreds of thousands of copies are indeed major releases.

  • Stranger Things box set
  • Ghosts of Saltmarsh
  • Essentials Set
  • Descent into Avernus
  • Acquisitions Incorporated
  • Rick & Morty box set
  • Rising from the Last War

Seven major products.
I'd bet you that each of those things sold far fewer copies than Xanathar's or Volo's. Crunch sells more than those "major releases."
 

Maxperson

Morkus from Orkus
That’s the point amid a fine line, no one knows. Sometimes not until AFTER you’ve crossed it.

And that is the dilemma. How close do you dare? What’s the wise move? Definitely NOT to let greed to drive you to release more and more books just to eat your seed corn.
There is also risk that a slow release schedule will cross another fine line in the other direction and cause the edition to stagnate.
 

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