WildShape questions...

[Veldrane]

I'm to play a Druid 5 / Shifter 3 this sunday (just retired my Sorcerer due to party balance), and, although I read all the rules available about Wildshape (and Greater one) I still have a couple of unaswered questions...

1) How many attacks a Wildshaped Druid can do in his new form? Do they depend from his BAB or not?

2) Can he Wildshape into a Shapechanger type eventually?

3) Assuming four Feats (3 from lvls 1, 3 and 6, and 1 for Human race), and considering I'll surely take Alertness, Endurance (PrC reqs.) and Natural Spells, what should I take as 3rd lvl Feat?

Thnx in advance for the answers, any other advice is welcome too

Edited for spelling...

 

[kreynolds]

2) Can he Wildshape into a Shapechanger type eventually?

At 10th level, you become a shapechanger. So, no.

 

[kreynolds]

3) Assuming four Feats (3 from lvls 1, 3 and 6, and 1 for Human race), and considering I'll surely take Alertness, Endurance (PrC reqs.) and Natural Spells, what should I take as 3rd lvl Feat?

Blindsight wouldn't be too shabby. Or you could take Improved Flight or Flyby Attack.

 

[Skaros]

I'm to play a Druid 5 / Shifter 3 this sunday (just retired my Sorcerer due to party balance), and, although I read all the rules available about Wildshape (and Greater one) I still have a couple of unaswered questions...

1) How many attacks a Wildshaped Druid can do in his new form? Do they depend from his BAB or not?

2) Can he Wildshape into a Shapechanger type eventually?

3) Assuming four Feats (3 from lvls 1, 3 and 6, and 1 for Human race), and considering I'll surely take Alertness, Endurance (PrC reqs.) and Natural Spells, what should I take as 3rd lvl Feat?

Thnx in advance for the answers, any other advice is welcome too

Edited for spelling...

1) He gets the attack sequence of the animal he turns into. In your case, when you turn into a brown bear, you get 3 attacks per round when doing a full attack (claw, claw, bite), even though you'd only get one per round in human form.

I'm not sure what you use for your BAB though. Hopefully someone who has spent more time on it can explain this for us.

-Skaros

 

[Pielorinho]

Re: Re: WildShape questions...

Blindsight wouldn't be too shabby. Or you could take Improved Flight or Flyby Attack.

If I read the question right, he's asking about a feat to take at third level, and is planning to take endurance and alertness at first level and natural spells at sixth level. Since all the feats you name require the ability to shapechange (I believe), none of them will be available to the character until after he reaches fifth level.

For third level, consider weapon focus: unarmed. Or power attack.

For your first question, I'm pretty sure you can choose how to attack, from two options:
1) Attack like a person: choose one attack form, and get iterative attacks with it, based on your BAB+STR+any other modifiers (-1 for large size, or +1 for weapon focus, etc.)
2) Attack like an animal: Get one attack with each of your natural weapons; the first attack is at your BAB+STR+any other modifiers, and each other attack is at your BAB+STR+any other modifiers -5.

Is this right?
Daniel

 

[kreynolds]

Re: Re: Re: WildShape questions...

If I read the question right, he's asking about a feat to take at third level, and is planning to take endurance and alertness at first level and natural spells at sixth level. Since all the feats you name require the ability to shapechange (I believe), none of them will be available to the character until after he reaches fifth level.

As a 1st level shifter, you can immediately whild shape. So the feats would apply. Am I still missing something here?

 

[TrizzlWizzl]

Re: Re: Re: WildShape questions...

1) Attack like a person: choose one attack form, and get iterative attacks with it, based on your BAB+STR+any other modifiers (-1 for large size, or +1 for weapon focus, etc.)
2) Attack like an animal: Get one attack with each of your natural weapons; the first attack is at your BAB+STR+any other modifiers, and each other attack is at your BAB+STR+any other modifiers -5.

Is this right?

I don't think so.

From polymorph other, the effect wild shape emulates, (p.237 PHB) it's my understanding that you get the natural abilities of the creature (armor, attack routines, etc.), keep your Int/Wis/Cha, BAB, saves and hit points (unaffected by adjusted Con); you get the animal's Str/Dex/Con (which affect save modifiers).

So, you're partially right. 2) is right, but I don't think you get to choose only one attack form with iterative attacks... I think you get the wild shape's attack routine.

 

[Pielorinho]

kreynolds: I think you're missing the fact that shifter is a PrC that you can't take at first level. IIRC, the earliest you can take it is sixth level (since an ability to shapeshift is a preq). It may be possible for lycanthropes and other monsters to take it earlier, but I'm assuming Veldrane is playing a standard race.

Trizzlwizzl: Masters of the Wild contains revised rules for wildshaping that don't reference polymorph other (or self). Wildshaping now actually makes sense. These are the rules I'm talking about.

Daniel

 

[kreynolds]

kreynolds: I think you're missing the fact that shifter is a PrC that you can't take at first level. IIRC, the earliest you can take it is sixth level (since an ability to shapeshift is a preq). It may be possible for lycanthropes and other monsters to take it earlier, but I'm assuming Veldrane is playing a standard race.

Yeah, thanks, I get that, but I'm not missing that at all. I thought he was asking what feat he should take as a 3rd level Shifter.

 

[Crothian]

Any idea what forms you're going to have? This will have bareing on the feat choose. If you want some big combat oriented shapes, take Power Attack. Or if you are going to take some smaller steathy foms you might want steathy. Since you plan on taking Natural spell, you might want a meta magic feat. Extend spell is probably the best at this point for you.