D&D 4E Will there be a Knight class in 4e?

[Sitara]

Just wondering,

The PHB II had some nice classes. Now I'm wondering, will they ever make new Knight and/or Duskblade classes? Are they needed?

See thing is, people will reply that you can multi-class using the core classes in 4e to achieve the same effect. But you could have made the exact same argument in 3E, that put platemale on a fighter or paladin, give him a horse and a lance and you got a knight.

The deigners appparently disagreed, so you got a knight class in PHB II in 3E. Whats to say they wont be there in 4E?

(I personally think this should be handled by figher class and its talent/power trees, but hey)

 

[Nymrohd]

Well the Knight class was not really a Knight in the traditional set. He was a defender on steroid, with several taunts and defensive skills. All of that is going to the fighter in 4E. As for the knight character archetype, I think Fighter with Warlord Training can fit it and I would be surprised not to say a mounted combat paragon path.

 

[Giltonio_Santos]

I believe the designers said at some point that paladin and fighter had killed the knight and taken his stuff. A good thing, I believe; I'm all for less classes and more powers/talent trees/whatever to choose from. The Duskblade is a different thing, though. If it's true that you can play a fighter/mage with the core rules, there's no need of a Duskblade, and the Mageblade can always kill him and take his stuff as well...

Cheers,

 

[Nahat Anoj]

As Giltonio_Santos said, the devs say the fighter and paladin killed the knight and took his stuff. I think the martial, tactical elements of the knight will be given to the fighter, while the various challenges will be given to the paladin.

 

[FireLance]

It all boils down to: what do you mean by "knight"?

If you simply mean a mounted combatant in plate mail and carrying a lance, you could make a knight in 3e and probably in 4e without using a specific Knight class.

However, if you have specific abilities in mind, the key issue will be which classes grant access to these abilities. In 3e, the Knight class was created because no other class had its specific abilities. In 4e, it seems likely that new abilities could be added to existing classes by developing new talent trees. However, if you want a suite of abilities that are granted by two or more classes, then you could either multiclass, or create a new class that granted access to the desired abilities.

 

[Klaus]

Just wondering,

The PHB II had some nice classes. Now I'm wondering, will they ever make new Knight and/or Duskblade classes? Are they needed?

See thing is, people will reply that you can multi-class using the core classes in 4e to achieve the same effect. But you could have made the exact same argument in 3E, that put platemale on a fighter or paladin, give him a horse and a lance and you got a knight.

The deigners appparently disagreed, so you got a knight class in PHB II in 3E. Whats to say they wont be there in 4E?

(I personally think this should be handled by figher class and its talent/power trees, but hey)

3e Knight -> 4e Fighter, Paladin or Warlord

3e Duskblade -> 4e Swordmage, or Fighter with Wizard Training (since arcane spell failure is gone)

 

[HP Dreadnought]

I like the idea of a "knight" class though. Hopefully they will make one. . . or didn't they say they had something that vaguely resembled PrCs? Maybe one of those for a knight class?

 

[Peter LaCara]

I like the idea of a "knight" class though. Hopefully they will make one. . . or didn't they say they had something that vaguely resembled PrCs? Maybe one of those for a knight class?

I'm fairly certain they mentioned Cavalier as a Paragon Path. That may be what you're looking for.

 

[Stomphoof]

3e Knight -> 4e Fighter, Paladin or Warlord

3e Duskblade -> 4e Swordmage, or Fighter with Wizard Training (since arcane spell failure is gone)

Arcane Spell Failure is WHAT NOW?! Where did you see this?!

 

[Klaus]

Arcane Spell Failure is WHAT NOW?! Where did you see this?!

From the 4e Info page (link at the top of EN World):

Schools of magic are gone, replaced by foci (orb, staff, wand, with more to come in later books possibly). The orb foci involves terrain control and retributive and perception effects, staves ranged blasting, and wands long distance control and defense. In addition to spells, wizards will also possess rituals that deal with item creation. Metamagic feats are gone, though spells can still be boosted by Wizard powers and other feats. In addition, since characters can buy any kind of feats they want, it is mentioned that you could turn a Wizard into a 3E-style Warmage or Duskblade by buying weapon, armor and melee attack feats, as 4E Wizards no longer suffer from arcane spell failure in armor.