Villano said:I stopped reading Marvel books years ago, but I think they did something with immortal mutants that were called "X-Ternals" (the name doesn't make much sense, but it's got an X in it so it must be cool). Apocalypse might might be one of those, hence the Eternal confusion.
GMVictory said:The eXternal plot line was dropped into nothingness after it was pointed out that it was terribly similar to "Highlander" immortality. Sam Guthrie aka Cannonball was supposed to be one. Mutant that is an eXternal has to be "killed" first and then comes back to life as an immortal. Can only die when beheaded. Honestly, I can't see the similarity myself.Can anyone guess who was writing it then?
reapersaurus said:Yet another galactically obvious example of the writer just wanting to insert an object that allowed him to do anything he wanted, with no limitations about superpowers, or reality, or technology.
LuYangShih said:Berserker and Magma.
Skade said:When were these two in the comics? The only Magma I knew was a normal girl who was given a part of the Beyonder's power long ago in FF or Secret Wars.
I've heard of the externals/eternals before but I never knew what they were. I've never heard of the deviants or the celestials. Most of my X-men knowledge comes from the old animated show and Evolution, as well as various internet discussions. Could someone fill me in on who/what the externals, deviants and celestials are? Or perhaps point me in the direction of a good fan site that explains them?Umbran said:*blink* But if he's an Eternal, he's not a mutant. In the Marvel Universe, the Eternals, Deviants, and mutants are all in some sense the result of meddling by the Celestials, but they are the restults of different meddlings. At least, so says the Official Hanbook of the Marvel Universe, Issue 4.Nightfall said:and were reflective of the fact he's an Eternal.
Villano said:Apocalypse, the ultimate munchkin? Nah, Silver Surfer or Green Lantern (especially since he isn't vulnerable to yellow anymore) are more munchkin.
Dude, we could not disagree more. Claremont irks the bejeesus out of me. I have no idea how he acheived this "demigod' status in the comics field. He managed to pull off a couple of really neat stories when I was 8, but as I became older and more well-read, his sheer lack of originality severely hamstrung the few neat stories that he managed to put out. Plus, I think his characterization is AWFUL. IMO, he grossly mishandles some of the characters and plays very distinct favorites with them as well. His Cyclops is needlessly pathetic. His Wolverine is needlessly god-like. And his villians tend to be ridiculously vague and inexplicably powerful. He singlehandedly switched the X-Men characters (heroes & villains) from having very specific, flavorful powers to everyone having vague, god-like capabilities, because it left all manner of trapdoors when he couldn't plot his way through a story. Unfortunately, he left that legacy behind him for others to pick up for the most part.Anyway, I used to like Apocalypse, especially when he was an X-Factor villain. However, after Claremont was fired, the books went to pot and continuity went out the window. Wolverine had a different origin every month and all the villains became Liefeld-like dweebs who were pale imatators of their classic foes. It was all about what looked "cool" and not the story.
Umbran said:Actually, I think the Secret Wars character was called Volcana. Magma was a member of the New Mutants as far back ago as the 1980s.