"Vast majority"? Do you understand THAT term? Because anywhere from 1 in 10 to 1 in 20 are non-heterosexual, which means that the "vast majority" of people are NOT heterosexual. Just a "majority".
For what it's worth, I'm a straight male. So there's that.
Once again you have failed to provide any valid and logical answer as to why a handful of examples is going to scare away people with differing sexuality and gender identifications.
I wasn't ever trying to do that. I was trying, in fact, to argue the exact opposite - that by including a few examples OUTSIDE of heterosexual relationships, it'd be fine for everyone. It wouldn't scare too many people away, and the ones it did probably should be scared away anyway.
I wonder, when they walk into a store where all the staff are heterosexual, do they just cease to be able to shop there?
"They"? What?
You're making extreme arguments against mild points. I say "I wish one NPC out of fifty would have a gay reference" and you're getting "I want every NPC to be transgender".
Do you see the difference?
Your argument is so absurd it is actually making me pity you.
Well hey, have fun with that.
Those guys, being a collection of 4chan trash were nothing more than a vocal minority.
Hey! We agree on something! Wouldn't call it a small group though - got some pretty big coverage.
Play any MMO, just for a day, and you will see a large and visible LGBT community.
Not my scene. But for what it's worth, I believe you.
Accepted and played with en masse. Openly advertising LGBT friendly guilds. For crying out loud in my own FFXIV guild, which is one of the top for our server and has a group of players in it that make the video guides that millions watch and use has multiple VERY open LGBT players who are well accepted and not discriminated against. The amount of times I have personally been in Mumble with them and hundreds of others and listen to them discuss their lifestyle free of judgement is too numerous to count.
So what? So you don't have a problem with LGBT people. This reminds me of the whole "I can't be racist, I have a black friend". But okay. Let's use your example.
There's a huge LGBT community on MMOs. Makes sense. That's as it should be. Now... I did a very quick google search, and it turns out there are LGBT characters in MMOs! Guild Wars had them with some degree of success, and it seems some fans are upset that WoW doesn't have them.
Why can't we do this for D&D? What's the big deal? I've asked you a couple of times now, and you haven't answered. Instead, you just say my argument is silly without answering my points. Instead, you answer trumped up charges with absurb oversimplifications.
Yet, you still only see what YOU want to see.
Very ironic, because the very next thing you say is...
You have decided that the volatile and childish FPS community makes up the whole of gamers.
When did I say that? Like, ever? Not even once did I mention FPS. I mentioned Gamergate in one sentence. Nothing about FPS games.
Yet I'm the one who only sees what he wants to see.
*golf clap*
I'm not even gay and get assaulted for being a "fag" on FPS games for not meeting their performance standards or, ironically, for outperforming them.
Welcome to the internet. Your point?
These people also call you a nerd for playing D&D.
Well, in their defence... it's D&D. D&D and Nerds go together like Bacon and Eggs.
This is not a video game section of the forum.
Nope. Which is why I didn't really mention much about video games. It's more been your soapbox. I've been talking about RPGs. You think that for some reason, having a throwaway comment about a character being gay would destroy RPGS as we know it (isn't it great when someone does that? Expands your ideas to ridiculous extremes?)
The gamers being discussed here are those people who sit around a table, in person or virtually, and role-play.
Yeah. So?
In my 17 years of this hobby and LARPing, I have seen one, one situation in which LGBT were treated poorly and the offender was removed, permanently. I can't think of one time I sat at a table with someone who was not part of the LGBT community. In fact, I remember playing with one who played a straight character while I played a homosexual one and then I spent the entire campaign trying to seduce his character. Not once did any of us make one single decision based on the cookie cutter NPCs who were probably all heterosexual.
Well that's great. But so what?
So you play that sort of game, and yet you don't think it'd be nice to OCCASIONALLY - or even ONCE - have an NPC have the word "gay" associated with him or her? Have a transgender paladin or something? I mean, Paizo already does this... and it's not like they're dying in the world of market shares.
Yes, you can play the game however you want. Not once did I argue otherwise, despite what you keep trying to insist. All I've said is that it'd be nice for the game to include a gay character once and awhile.
The world will not implode, I assure you (did it again! I'm such a scamp).
These aren't novels, you are a fool for putting this much weight into a template.
D&D books are templates?
Is that another term you don't understand?
Give me your address; I'm fed-exing you a dictionary, post haste. (psst. "post haste" means "quickly").
Your argument is a COLOSSAL waste of time. In fact I am going to start asking my LGBT friends who do not play D&D if this is because the NPC in Tyranny of Dragons has a heterosexual relationship.
Sure. But let's change it a bit. Because most LGBT people I know don't care when media has heterosexual relationships. They care when occasionally, they get some attention, too.
So, instead, ask them this: "hey. If the occasional D&D module had a gay relationship mentioned - even in passing - would it improve your chances of playing the game?"
Because that is what I am asking. I am not attacking heterosexual relationships or anything of the sort. I am promoting the fact that MOST gamers are probably mature enough to expect a bit more sexuality diversity in their games.
I expect a 100% no response followed by laughter at the lunacy of the suggestion.
Sure. If you ask them the question you were planning on. But the only person who seems to think that this is what I am asking was you. So either you're deliberately misreading what I said, or you're unintentionally misreading what I said.
Ask my question, though, and we'll see what response you get. Maybe I'm wrong - I've been wrong before - but I dunno. It seems like a good question to ask.
Looking forward to see how you amp up my comments to suggest that I think all weddings should be "adam and steve" and that anyone who plays an FPS are complete morons.
Endearingly yours,
Wik.
