TSR TSR (2) Confirms TSR (3)'s Acquisition of Trademark (Updated!)

Jayson Elliot registered the TSR trademark back in 2011 and used it to launch Gygax Magazine along with Ernie and Luke Gygax. The two Gygax's left the company a few years later after Gary Gygax's (co-founder of TSR (1) back in the 1970s) widow, Gail Gygax, forced the closure of Gygax Magazine. Then, earlier this year, TSR (3) swooped in on the TSR trademark, after Jayson Elliot accidentally...

Jayson Elliot registered the TSR trademark back in 2011 and used it to launch Gygax Magazine along with Ernie and Luke Gygax. The two Gygax's left the company a few years later after Gary Gygax's (co-founder of TSR (1) back in the 1970s) widow, Gail Gygax, forced the closure of Gygax Magazine. Then, earlier this year, TSR (3) swooped in on the TSR trademark, after Jayson Elliot accidentally let it lapse, as TSR (2) confirms:

We have owned the TSR trademark since 2011. Last year, we missed a filing date, and another company registered it, though we are still using it in commerce. While we could win a lawsuit, we frankly don't have the money to litigate. So, we're licensing it back from them.

As a result, there are two companies now using the name TSR. You can tell when it's us because we're the only ones using the new logo.

They're opening a museum in Lake Geneva at the old TSR house, and we wish them success with it, it's important to celebrate the legacy that Gary Gygax created.


Ernie Gygax, formerly of TSR (1) under Gary Gygax, then working with Jayson Elliot as part of TSR (2), is one of the founders of of TSR (3), and confirmed in his (now infamous) interview --

The other TSR is a licensee because [Jayson Elliot] let it lapse. But he had absolutely ... love for the game and the products. There was no reason to say 'oh you've screwed up, oh it's all ours, ha ha ha ha!' Instead, Justin [LaNasa] came to him and said ... we love that you're doing Top Secret things, we have a much broader goal for the whole thing. But there's no reason for you to stop or even have any troubles. Justin said, I'll take care of the paperwork, you just give me $10 a year, and you put out all this love for old school gaming that you can. And we appreciate that you were there to try and pick up things, and you produced Gygax Magazine, for in its time that you're also working on a game that you love to play ... because Top Secret was Jayson's love, as a young man.


TSR (2), still run by Jayson Elliot, publishes Top Secret, and is not connected to TSR (3) other than now having to license it’s own name from them. TSR (3) has also registered the trademark to Star Frontiers, a game owned by and still currently sold by D&D-owner WotC.

In other news the GYGAX trademark appears to have lapsed.


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UPDATE! TSR (2) has decided NOT to license its own name from TSR (3):

Update to our earlier tweet - we will NOT be licensing anything from the new company claiming rights to the TSR logos. We are not working with them in any fashion.
 

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cmad1977

Hero
Basically everyone is doubling down on this at this point. Jim Ward is retweeting alt-right "its the wokescolds' fault!" videos.

Other than maybe Larry Elmore, everyone else involved has decided to back bigotry and transphobia. All are culpable.

Supporting these people, products, businesses, is enabling this element in our hobby. It's not okay.

With these types of people it’s ALWAYS someone or something else’s fault.
They never once think to themselves: “golly maybe I could like… NOT be an Ahole.”
 


Sithlord

Adventurer
Insulting other members
With these types of people it’s ALWAYS someone or something else’s fault.
They never once think to themselves: “golly maybe I could like… NOT be an Ahole.”
Yeah I wish the A-holes would just let ward and Ernie make their great game and stop misrepresenting them.
 

Yeah I wish the A-holes would just let ward and Ernie make their great game and stop misrepresenting them.
I don't know what you've been reading, but I can tell you that there's not much misrepresenting going on here. Haven't seen Ward's latest comments, but Ernie Gygax's speak for themselves. Whoever is running the TSR Twitter account (I think it's Justin LaNasa) has also committed to making a complete ass of themselves.

Also, going off of Ernie Gygax's business history, I have doubts that Giantlands will be a great game, or will even see release.
 
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Basically everyone is doubling down on this at this point. Jim Ward is retweeting alt-right "its the wokescolds' fault!" videos.

Other than maybe Larry Elmore, everyone else involved has decided to back bigotry and transphobia. All are culpable.

Supporting these people, products, businesses, is enabling this element in our hobby. It's not okay.
Haven't seen Ward's comments making the rounds. RPG Twitter is still focusing on Gygax Jr and Dinehart's stupidity. Is this on Facebook?
 

Sacrosanct

Legend
Basically everyone is doubling down on this at this point. Jim Ward is retweeting alt-right "its the wokescolds' fault!" videos.

Other than maybe Larry Elmore, everyone else involved has decided to back bigotry and transphobia. All are culpable.

Supporting these people, products, businesses, is enabling this element in our hobby. It's not okay.
Jeff Dee has been pretty adamant that he does not approve. Even giving back money he was given for future work.
 


Mistwell

Crusty Old Meatwad (he/him)
Ugh. Look. I honestly couldn't care less about "clearing Gygax's name" or whatever else this recent nonsense is about, but I want to address this super fallacious support of whatever you think the situation is.

"Do not speak ill of the dead" in the proverb's entirety roughly translates into "Of the dead nothing but good is to be said", and it originates from some guy from Sparta in the 6th Century BCE.

This phrase is flat-out wrong in most cases that people try to use it in.
You're just repeating what had already been said, and ignoring the already existing refutation of this position (like posts 118 and 141). The reasons given for why focusing on the positions you disagree with rather than the people who have died who you feel held those positions, is the wiser course. Being "true" is a vacuous response in light of what's already been said on the topic.
 

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