D&D 5E Is Paladine Bahamut? Is Takhisis Tiamat? Fizban's Treasury Might Reveal The Answer!

According to WotC's James Wyatt, Fizban's Treasury of Dragons introduces a new cosmology for dragon gods, where the same beings, including Fizban, echo across various D&D campaign settings with alternate versions of themselves (presumably like Paladine/Bahamut, or Takhisis/Tiamat). Also... the various version can merge into one single form.

Takhisis is the five-headed dragon god of evil from the Dragonlance setting. Paladine is the platinum dragon god of good (and also Fizban's alter-ego).

Additionally, the book will contain psychic gem dragons, with stats for all four age categories of the five varieties (traditionally there are Amethyst, Crystal, Emerald, Sapphire, and Topaz), plus Dragonborn characters based on metallic, chromatic, and gem dragons.

D&D 5E - Check out Fizban's Alternate Cover!

WotC's James Wyatt talked to Polygon about Fizban's Treasury of Dragons, which also revealed the alternate cover, which you can only get from hobby stores. https://www.enworld.org/threads/fizbans-treasury-the-dragon-book-now-has-a-description-and-a-feat.681399/

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D&D 5E - Fizban's Treasury: The Dragon Book Now Has A Description... And A Feat

Courtesy of Amazon, we now have a description for Fizban's Treasury of Dragons, the October D&D hardcover. The book introduces gem dragons, dragon-themed player options, and plenty of draconic lore! This joins September's The Wild Beyond the Witchlight, and November's Strixhaven: Curriculum of...

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[SkidAce]

712.

Could yah list a couple hundred of them for me...just for reference yah know....

 

[Morrus]

Could yah list a couple hundred of them for me...just for reference yah know....

How much do you pay per word?

 

[Zeromaru X]

So, is Tiamat a 40th-level cleric/wizard greater goddess?

IIRC, Tiamat was created before than Takhisis. So, the real question is, was Takhisis a unique dragon?

 

[Henadic Theologian]

Well, that was sort of my point. If 5e great wyrms (or at least some of them) are powerful enough to grant spells (which we'll have to see once the book is released), then they are more or less deities by another name. Basically ascending to great wyrm is just a step on the way to godhood. We'll see how exactly this is all hashed out in the book I guess...

The possiblity that Great Wyrms can grant divine spells is speculation, BUT if your right, then that makes me think Nanna Sin is even more likely to be a Great Wyrm Dragon Turtle.

Arcane Warlock spells on the other hand are pretty much confirmed to be grantable. It does sound like Great Wyrms do sound like the Material Planes version of Planar Paragons like Tome Archons, The Court of Stars, Demon Princes, Archdukes of Hell, Slaad Lords, and Primus.

 

[Uni-the-Unicorn!]

Doubt all you want. But, yes, a unique dragon (that had 128 hp) that is treated as a lesser goddess (in D&DG) is the same thing as a greater goddess with 999 hp that does 1-1000 points of damage on a hit.

Well the Takhisis stats you list where very different from all other deities at the time. If you look at the 1e Deities and Demigods, the max hit points of the greater gods was 400. They were definitely made in a bubble regardless if they were supposed to be a different entity or the same one.

 

[Henadic Theologian]

Those concerned about DL being a part of the regular D&D cosmology are fighting yesterdays battles, tomorrows battles will be is DL apart of the Merged D&D & MtG Cosmology that they are very likely to create.

 

[Parmandur]

Those concerned about DL being a part of the regular D&D cosmology are fighting yesterdays battles, tomorrows battles will be is it apart of the Merged D&D & MtG Cosmology that they are very likely to create.

"Battle" is the wrong word, methinks. But yeah, mixing D&D and Magic multiverses seems to be the way things are trending now. The more the merrier.

 

[Henadic Theologian]

"Battle" is the wrong word, methinks. But yeah, mixing D&D and Magic multiverses seems to be the way things are trending now. The more the merrier.

I chose battle for a reason, its going get some huge push back from a tiny amount of folks, who will be argueing hardcore against it.

I say tiny, because I think a fair size amount of folks don't realize that WotC hasn't already merged the settings. The longer they put said move off, the more confusion will increase amd the more controdictions will pop up as they continue to do crossovers.

 

[Parmandur]

I chose battle for a reason, its going get some huge push back from a tiny amount of folks, who will be argueing hardcore against it.

I say tiny, because I think a fair size amount of folks don't realize that WotC hasn't already merged the settings. The longer they put said move off, the more confusion will increase amd the more controdictions will pop up as they continue to do crossovers.

I say "battle" might be the wrong word, as that suggests engagement and actual struggle. If I go outside and yell at the clouds, I am not battling the sky.

 

[Hexmage-EN]

Couldn't Takhisis be a rogue aspect of Tiamat, at least? The idea of aspects and avatars of gods and demon lords and such going rogue against their progenitor and pursuing their own goals was a neat detail that showed up in 3E and 4E (possibly earlier).

For example, the Savage Tide adventure path featured four aspects of Demogorgon: Khala in Dungeon #145, Bagromar and Gorgant in Dungeon #149, and Tetradarian in Dungeon #150.

DDO also featured a Demon Overlord counterpart of Lolth called Spinner of Shadows.