D&D General "Red Orc" American Indians and "Yellow Orc" Mongolians in D&D

[Ruin Explorer]

They played one session with a simplified version of 4E before converting to Pathfinder. I doubt many of them (outside perhaps Liam) know a lick about how 4E works.


Regardless, I tend to run a very story driven game when I DM and I found it much more difficult to do so under the 4E rules. The arcade nature of combat (which felt so much more like a MMORPG than D&D) just pulled people out of the story, as did the constant magic item churn and continual addition of materials.

Pathfinder and 5E are much easier systems to put the story first and not have the system pull attention away from story.

Thanks, didn't know that.

Weirdly I had the opposite experience with 4E, also playing a story-heavy game, and it was 3.XE which used to pull us out of the story. YMMV I guess.

Agree 5E works better for that because it's so much less rules-heavy than either (esp. PF).

 

[Ruin Explorer]

I dont know, in my opinion i feel like 4e would have bogged them down way too much. Pathfinder could have worked but they would probably have to house rule it to streamline it. 5e was just the perfect rule set for what they wanted to do.

I think they'd have been fine at low levels, but yeah in the teens it does big down unless players really avoid Reaction, Immediate and Interrupt type powers, which unfortunately are very good powers. I don't think it would have limited the popularity of the podcast much though.

 

[Filthy Lucre]

I'm playing catch-up on this thread, so I easily could have missed important context. However, looking back, it looks like you asked what you are supposed to do, and then got indignant about the idea of being told what to do, and then later again asked as to purpose or proposed/expected action. Can you clarify this? Are you looking for, or rigorously opposed to, suggested courses of action from others?

I'm genuinely asking what actions people want to take about this racist content. If that action is just "be aware of it", ok well we're all very aware of it so guess we've solved the issue. If they want something to actually be done about it, they should state what it is that they want done.

It seems to me that people want other people to be as outraged as they are over problematic, racist, sexist, etc elements. I just don't get outraged - by anything.

 

[Filthy Lucre]

You bolded the wrong part of your quote. "Oh, yes, I know it's racist .... but..." is pretty much the entire issue.

Ok, so, what does it do then?

 

[Vaalingrade]

I'm genuinely asking what actions people want to take about this racist content. If that action is just "be aware of it", ok well we're all very aware of it so guess we've solved the issue. If they want something to actually be done about it, they should state what it is that they want done.

Maybe just refrain from trying to qualify, get combative about, or otherwise find a way to excuse it, its creators or the society that spawned its creators as if these issues are background radiation we can't do anything about and never have.

Maybe not demand an easy solution for a problem that's hundreds of years old from an internet board.

 

[Filthy Lucre]

Maybe just refrain from trying to qualify, get combative about, or otherwise find a way to excuse it, its creators or the society that spawned its creators as if these issues are background radiation we can't do anything about and never have.

Maybe not demand an easy solution for a problem that's hundreds of years old from an internet board.

I don't demand a solution at all. I'm happy to say "Ya, this material is offensive and racist AND it's a great work of weird fiction and has inspired a ton of other authors and creators". That is my solution.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

Yes. And?

I’m not sure what you’re looking for here.

 

[Thomas Shey]

I’m not sure what you’re looking for here.

I was making a side comment spun off your post. That was all.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

I was making a side comment spun off your post. That was all.

So…what was the point of the “90s sarcastic teenager” style reply?

 

[Voadam]

I'm genuinely asking what actions people want to take about this racist content.

That varies widely across different individuals.

If that action is just "be aware of it", ok well we're all very aware of it so guess we've solved the issue.

That would be me. Awareness value achieved by people reading the analysis and thinking about the issues. Yay!

If they want something to actually be done about it, they should state what it is that they want done.

The OP said they wanted WotC to make amendatory actions.

Others have said they thought the product should be pulled or pulled from general accessibility and gated to academic research access or limited to existing copies.

It seems to me that people want other people to be as outraged as they are over problematic, racist, sexist, etc elements. I just don't get outraged - by anything.

Some do. Others don't.

Lots of variety in what different people want.