Making Religion Matter in Fantasy RPGs

Religion is a powerful force in any culture and difficult to ignore when creating a gaming setting. Here's some things to consider when incorporating religions into your campaign.
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Religion is a powerful force in any culture and difficult to ignore when creating a gaming setting. Here's some things to consider when incorporating religions into your campaign.

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The Question of Gods​

When we look at religion from a gaming perspective, the most interesting thing about it is that in many settings, the existence of deities is not in question. One of the most common arguments over religion is whether there even is a god of any form. But in many fantasy games especially, deities offer proof of their existence on a daily basis. Their power is channelled through clerics and priests and a fair few have actually been seen manifesting in the material realm. This makes it pretty hard to be an atheist in a D&D game.

While the adherents of any faith believe the existence of their deity is a given fact, having actual proof changes the way that religion is seen by outsiders. In many ancient cultures, people believed in not only their gods, but the gods of other cultures. So to win a war or conquer another culture was proof your gods were more powerful than theirs. While winning a war against another culture can make you pretty confident, winning one against another culture’s gods can make you arrogant. Add to that the fact you had warrior priests manifesting divine power on the battlefield, you are pretty soon going to start thinking that not only is winning inevitable, but that it is also a divine destiny. Again, these are all attitudes plenty of believers have had in ancient days, but in many fantasy worlds they might actually be right.

Magic vs. Prayer​

If a world has magic, it might be argued that this power is just another form of magic. Wizards might scoff at clerics, telling them they are just dabblers who haven’t learned true magic. But this gets trickier if there are things the clerics can do with their magic that the wizards can’t do with theirs. Some wizards might spend their lives trying to duplicate the effects of clerics, and what happens if one of them does?

The reverse is also interesting. Clerics might potentially manifest any form of magical power if it suits their deity. So if the priest of fire can not only heal but throw fireballs around, is it the wizards that need to get themselves some religion to become true practitioners of the art? Maybe the addition of faith is the only way to really gain the true power of magic?

Are the Gods Real?​

While divine power might be unarguably real, the source of it might still be in contention. A priest might be connecting to some more primal force than magicians, or tapping into some force of humanity. What priests think is a connection to the divine might actually just be another form of magic. As such, it could have some unexpected side effects.

Let’s say this divine power draws from the life force of sentient beings. As it does so in a very broad way, this effect is barely noticed in most populations. A tiny amount of life from the population as a whole powers each spell. But once the cleric goes somewhere remote they might find their magic starts draining the life from those nearby. In remote areas, clerics might be feared rather than revered, and the moment they try to prove they are right by manifesting the true power of their deity, they (and the townsfolk) are in for a very nasty surprise.

Can You Not Believe in Them?​

There are ways to still play an atheist character in a fantasy game. However, it does require more thought beyond "well I don’t believe in it." That's a sure way to make your character look foolish, especially after they have just been healed by a cleric.

What will also make things much tougher is having a character that refuses to benefit from the power of religion due to their beliefs. They might insist that if they don’t know what in this healing magic, they don’t want any part of it, especially if the priest can’t really explain it outside the terms of their faith. That this healing works will not be in doubt. So are they being principled or a fool? If the explanation for magical healing isn’t "this is just healing energy" but "it’s the power of my deity, entering your body and changing it for the better" the character might be more reticent about a few more hit points.

When it comes to deities manifesting on the material plane, it’s a little harder to ignore them. But this isn’t always evidence of the divine. A manifesting deity is undoubtedly a powerful being, one able to crush armies and level cities, but does that make them divine? While the power of a deity is not in dispute, the definition of what is actually divine in nature is a lot muddier. This is ironically harder in a fantasy world where lich-kings, dragons and powerful wizards can do all the same things many deities are supposed to do.

What Are Gods?​

So we come back to the question: Whether you are a cleric, adherent or atheist, of what actually is god? What quality of them demands or inspires worship beyond the fact they are powerful? Plenty of philosophers are still trying to figure that one out. While in a fantasy game their existence and power may not be in question, whether they are holy or even worthy of trust and faith might be much harder to divine.
 

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Andrew Peregrine

Andrew Peregrine

Oofta

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Ahh, but that's a bit different isn't it? If it's entirely up to the cleric (and the cleric's player) then the answer would be, sure, if the cleric decides to heal that elf, no problems.

But, that's not the issue is it? The issue is the elf is demanding that the dwarf heal the elf, to the point of claiming that the dwarf player is a bad player and disrupting the table, if the dwarf player doesn't.

Everyone seems to want to put this on the cleric player. But, if the elf player was openly mocking the dwarf's deity, had refused to even acknowledge that the dwarf's deity even existed, is it totally unreasonable for the dwarf cleric to refuse to heal the elf? Or, for that matter, for the dwarf cleric's deity to refuse to grant the spell?
So for the umpteenth time, who says the atheist is mocking anyone? Why the assumption that atheists are militant.

The elf doesn't revere the dwarven God any more or less than the atheist. In any case, if a player's PC ever refused to heal a fellow party member we'd be chatting about "don't be a jerk." 🤷‍♂️
 
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Cadence

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What about NPC's?

Did that atheist fighter protect that priest in a temple from something? Never minding that the cleric also protected the fighter as well.

And, please stop trying to drag real world politics into this. It's rather transparent and completely not what we're talking about. Of course there is sectarian violence in the world. We all know that.

Please stop trying to portray all atheists as continually flaunting their disbelief obnoxiously in the face of others and demanding something for nothing.

And I'm befuddled why real world religious oppression and trauma has no place in a discussion of topics appropriate for a game when real world racism, bigotry, and sexism regularly do.
 

In a world with powerful illusion magic why would it be convincing?
Simple, the lasting effect that the deity will produce.
Illusion cease when the illusionist stops concentrating on it.
If the god erects a wall, create a mountain or whatever, it will stay on and forever.
That is quite convincing isn't it?
 

Cadence

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And this is the main point where everything falls apart. A cleric is the direct representative of his/her deity. Mocking the deity right in the face of the cleric is calling for some serious trouble. Not only does one player do not worship his deity, but that player mocks the cleric's deity as well. If I were that cleric, not only would I not heal that character, but I would offer the group to chose between that character and myself. My God, not me, heals your wounds and this miscreant mocks and demean my deity and my actions. I would not tolerate this for any length of time.

Yes it might lead to quite an argument between two players, but respect goes both ways. And if, as a player I have to choose between the two, guess where I would go toward? The healer.

Why is it assumed the atheist is mocking anyone?

Certainly if a character was being a jerk to the cleric I wouldn't expect them not to be regularly healed. Just like if the bard's singing were mocked or the warlord's coat of arms was mocked, I wouldn't expect them to either.
 

Cadence

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Simple, the lasting effect that the deity will produce.
Illusion cease when the illusionist stops concentrating on it.
If the god erects a wall, create a mountain or whatever, it will stay on and forever.
That is quite convincing isn't it?

Can earth elementals raise mountains?

And the wind and rain gods might have something to say about how big that mountain stays over time :)
 

Oofta

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Simple, the lasting effect that the deity will produce.
Illusion cease when the illusionist stops concentrating on it.
If the god erects a wall, create a mountain or whatever, it will stay on and forever.
That is quite convincing isn't it?
Umm, no. Magic has many sources and effects. Someone claiming that the source of magic was from a god doesn't mean anything.
 

@Helldritch - I would argue that an atheist PC is pretty much openly mocking the cleric's deity. Unless, of course, the atheist PC is a total hypocrite and only believes that gods don't exist when it's convenient.
Well, atheism in a fantasy world where gods do walk the earth is quite an oddity, if not downright impossible.
Atheist: Give me a proof that your god exists!
Cleric: Ok. "the cleric cast Curse at the Atheist." Done
Atheist: But any caster can do that!
Cleric: Ok calls his deity.
Deity: So you doubt my existence? Here is a Geas for you. Learn your lesson, next time, you'll be more than sorry.
Atheist: Me and my big mouth...
Deity: And for you my cleric, here is another geas for disturbing your god for such a small reason. I only came because it was you. Now you have attonement to do for your lack of wisdom.

It would always boil down to that. Heck, a powerful wizard once polymorphed one of my teammate into a Donkey for talking back at him... Imagine what an annoyed deity would do.
 

Can earth elementals raise mountains?

And the wind and rain gods might have something to say about how big that mountain stays over time :)
Umm, no. Magic has many sources and effects. Someone claiming that the source of magic was from a god doesn't mean anything.
But yes. Elemental slave would take time to do it. A deity would do it with the wave of a hand (for theatrical reasons) and it would be there. All the solutions you bring involve time and other creatures to do it. The deity simply wills it and it is done.

You can not simply compare the scope of divine power with mortal power. Even a Djinn or Efreet is limited in scope in what it can do. And if push comes to shove, a deity might feel "obliged" to give the unbeliever a bit of its medicine.
 

Cadence

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But yes. Elemental slave would take time to do it. A deity would do it with the wave of a hand (for theatrical reasons) and it would be there. All the solutions you bring involve time and other creatures to do it. The deity simply wills it and it is done.

I have never seen a game where a god has just popped in to create a mountain in front of the PCs. And I find it odd that one would do so just to convert one unbeliever. But sure, that would be impressive!!!

I'm not sure it would prove they were worthy of worship.

I wonder if some of the impoverished, Ill, drought stricken, and besieged followers of such a deity who observed that would eventually start wondering why the deity didn't spend some more of that omnipotence helping them instead of making them wait for their low level local priest to get his spell or two back to chip away at it the next day.
You can not simply compare the scope of divine power with mortal power. Even a Djinn or Efreet is limited in scope in what it can do. And if push comes to shove, a deity might feel "obliged" to give the unbeliever a bit of its medicine.
Is Lolth a deity? Tiamat? Asmodeus? How do they compare to the lesser gods? Can lesser gods make mountains like that? (In old versions they couldn't even grant ninth level spells, could they?)
 
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