Dr Strange 2: In the Multiverse of Madness (Spoilers)

[Thomas Shey]

Or, wouldn't there be some Branches where Wanda was killed, and the children left as orphans?

Wanda: "Hey, America, my alternate died in Branch XYZ, could you send me over there so that I could look after the children she left behind?"

America: Sure thing!

TomB

This, by the by, I do consider something of a plot hole.

 

[Thomas Shey]

It makes me wonder how long things can go before the MCU gets too impenetrable and people start switching off.

I suspect the fact any given character has a limited shelflife will mitigate this.

 

[Umbran]

This, by the by, I do consider something of a plot hole.

As far as we and the characters understand it, for the majority of the film, America has no conscious control over when she creates a portal, or where her portals go. Wanda wants to steal the power because America cannot choose to use it for her.

Strange works it out at the end, but by that time Wanda's too deep into the Darkhold and the conflict to listen to reason.

 

[Davies]

This, by the by, I do consider something of a plot hole.

In addition to what has already been pointed out, by the middle of this ... film ... Wanda has graduated to "I need this power in order to insure that my boys are always safe from anything." And, not spelled out, but I expect that she included "growing up and leaving me" among the "anything".

 

[trappedslider]

So, if when you dream you're dealing with another version of you in the multiverse that means somewhere out there I got chased by chicken nuggets as a kid.

 

[Mirtek]

I've got no answers here. Just pondering.

The idea is probably that this someone is not a fan of the MCU and just want to watch some random action flic with high powered people beating on each other.

I know plenty of people who don't care about comics, can't tell which character belongs to which publisher and have only seen a random connection of MCU movies and none of the shows.

I was in No Way Home with someone who had never seen any of the Spider Man movies before. And had not seen Dr. Strange.

He just found it to be a good enough movie experience embedded between us eating a pizza and having a couple of cocktails afterwards.

 

[Blue]

Wanda killed herself in the end (theoretically). Strange has got a weird third eye and another problem he needs to fix. Big difference. Oh, and he is now humble enough to bow to Wong. Big character development there!

When one character has had it for an hour or so while another character deeply and obsessively studied it over time while in a vulverable emotional state and the two characters have different effects, trying to say "the difference is their gender" is unsubstantiated. Look where the rest of the variables are the same and then compare apples to apples.

Wanda killed herself in the end after realizing what she was doing. The Dr. Strange who used it as much as Wanda didn't have the emotional fortitude to kill himself, killed multiple other incarnations of himself (while Wanda just wanted to replace one) and was killed while trying to do in yet another variant of himself. I don't think you can make any rational case that Wanda was the weaker of those two.

 

[Thomas Shey]

When one character has had it for an hour or so while another character deeply and obsessively studied it over time while in a vulverable emotional state and the two characters have different effects, trying to say "the difference is their gender" is unsubstantiated. Look where the rest of the variables are the same and then compare apples to apples.

Wanda killed herself in the end after realizing what she was doing. The Dr. Strange who used it as much as Wanda didn't have the emotional fortitude to kill himself, killed multiple other incarnations of himself (while Wanda just wanted to replace one) and was killed while trying to do in yet another variant of himself. I don't think you can make any rational case that Wanda was the weaker of those two.

Lets not forget that Wanda not only killed herself (if that's what happened; its strongly implied but there's a large element of fictional "villain died in massive explosion" there that can't be ignored) but deliberately used her unique position vis-a-vis her power to remove the source of her corruption to prevent it harming others.

 

[Blue]

If this version of Wanda created her kids with magic in a magic bubble, how are there versions of her out there with the same kids not in a magic bubble? How did they come to exist? If we see Wanda again, will it be a non-Scarlet Witch version of her?

I know this is a late response, but it was established in the movie that you see yourself from other multiverses in your dreams. From the beginning with Dr. Strange knowing of the battle with America, to even the corrupted Strange "Do you ever dream of falling from a large height? That's my doing." line. So she has been probably dreaming of those children well before WandaVision started, not realizing that it was anything more than an errant dream. She wanted a family with Vision, and subconsciously she had already seen her children to make them.

 

[Blue]

Regards not seeing any of the MCU's female characters have trauma responses when several of the male characters do, I agree that would be poor. But, as @Davies has pointed out, Wanda's response to her trauma, and the come-uppance she gets given, are written dramatically differently to those written for Hawkeye, Thor, Strange and Stark. Also, let's not forget Black Widow. Or Captain Marvel's arc in her first movie. Or Wanda in WandaVision. There's plenty of women with trauma there.

Can we look as Hawkeye as Ronin. Because it seems he fell a lot further than Wanda in trauma response, she just has more power at her fingertips to do things about it.

She attempted to be "reasonable", to kill to take the power of one multiversal traveler and one alternate Wanda to replace her. She several times tried to talk to Strange that she could easily escalate but doesn't want to - just give her America. And, she has the partial justification that she is being lead down a dark path by a corrupting evil artifact.

He went on an intentional murder spree of plenty of people who were just criminals. Not even super powered ones. He turned that way on his own. They both lost their family, but he didn't have the additional pushes of the Darkhold nor of having to kill his partner to try to save the universe and failing anyway.

Really, Ronin intentionally chose mass murder as an end-goal for the similar trauma and without the corrupting influence of the mythic evil book. He did worse and with less provocation. Just imaging if he had Wanda's level of power to carry out his spree.