Obi-Wan Kenobi (spoilers)

[Zardnaar]

The problem in this series is that there are no stakes at all. We already know Leia isnt going to die, or be revealed as Vaders daughter (and neither will Luke), or find it out for herself, nor is Obi Wan going to die, or anything really bad happen to him, and that he's going to trump Vader in the finale, and learn how to become a Force Ghost from Qui Gonn.

We're meant to be scared for Leia now she's in the hands of the Inquisition and Reva, but how can we be, already knowing she's gonna be fine? How can we truly be concerned for Obi Wan, knowing that he's got another 10 years left in him, and succeeds in talking to Qui Gonn and defeating Vader (again)?

It's the same with the Grand Inquisitor. We know he's not actually dead.

The only character with an open book is Reva (she can die, be redeemed or whatever) but she's been badly written in a very one dimensional manner to date.

This there's to many characters with built in plot immunity.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

The problem in this series is that there are no stakes at all.

This is a fundamental problem with all prequals.

However, the "stake" in this series is Obi-Wan's faith, and the uncertainty is in how he will regain it.

 

[Flamestrike]

This is a fundamental problem with all prequals.

Tell that to Qui Gonn, Padme, Mace Windu, and many others.

Padme really had the worst character arc in the prequels. Lose everything you care about, be the victim of domestic violence at the hands of your secret (genocidal) husband, and then die in childbirth 'of a broken heart'.

She basically existed only to give Anakin a reason to fall from grace, and to give birth to Luke and Leia, because someone had to. She was a plot device, and not an actual character.

Such a waste of Portmans acting talent.

 

[Benjamin Olson]

The problem in this series is that there are no stakes at all. We already know Leia isnt going to die, or be revealed as Vaders daughter (and neither will Luke), or find it out for herself, nor is Obi Wan going to die, or anything really bad happen to him, and that he's going to trump Vader in the finale, and learn how to become a Force Ghost from Qui Gonn.

We're meant to be scared for Leia now she's in the hands of the Inquisition and Reva, but how can we be, already knowing she's gonna be fine? How can we truly be concerned for Obi Wan, knowing that he's got another 10 years left in him, and succeeds in talking to Qui Gonn and defeating Vader (again)?

It's the same with the Grand Inquisitor. We know he's not actually dead.

The only character with an open book is Reva (she can die, be redeemed or whatever) but she's been badly written in a very one dimensional manner to date.

I guess if you just digest media out of curiosity over who will die or whatever then maybe that's true. But, you know, it's about the journey.

And that goes double for something like Star Wars, where we know good will always win in the end.

We don't need to know that Leia is Leia to know that she won't die, we just need to see that she's 10 and can safely assume that a 10 year old was always ultimately going to safely make it through a Star Wars story because she's a ten year old and this wasn't the sort of franchise where kids could die even before it was bought by the house of mouse.

And as proof that it is the journey, I offer the fact that even knowing their fates I am actually far more invested in what happens to Obi-Wan, Leia, or Vader in this series than I am in Reva the Boring, whose fate is unknown. For the record I am also more invested in the fates of several random one scene characters than in Reva, but that's besides the point.

Needing to know how it ends is often a factor in compelling viewers, readers, etc. to consume your media. But if it's the primary reason your consuming something it's probably an unsatisfying experience. And if it was the main driver for people to consume media they would only ever want to read, watch, etc. anything once. Personally I find this show compelling without needing that cheap don't-know-what-will-happen factor. Others' mileage may vary.

 

[Hussar]

Yeah can I just say I’m enjoying a really cool Star Wars story? Do I really have to analyze it much further than that?

Hell I like Reva. Badass Jedi hunter with some mystery. Works for me.

Since when does anyone watch Star Wars for the acting? Or the dialogue? People must have seen really different movies than I saw.

 

[damiller]

The acting (and dialogue) in the prequels was awful, not that you can blame the actors (many of whom are fantastic actors).

I think that the acting has been bad in all BUT the sequels.

Harrison Ford has been quoted saying, " 'George! You can type this sh*t, but you sure can't say it!"

And George has said that the Original Trilogy was an homage to the pulps (particularly Flash Gordon) of the 1930s/40s. The dialogue and characterization in those is stilted, is thin, is wooden. Its just what they did. And it amazing how well he implemented that kind of dialogue and characterization in the OT.

BUT out of step with what movies had become - which is why I think it was popular.

The prequels.

From what I can tell in reading about it and listening to interviews with George he was trying to make a greek tragedy. In the mode of a greek tragedy. From the little I know the acting in those was almost literally wooden because the actors had masks with faces on them. The main component of characterization: the music. Multiple times George stated he wanted the prequels to be Tone Poems. And if you listen to the music from the Prequels it rivals, as far as I am concerned, any of the other trilogies.

BUT out of step with what movies had become - I think you can dislike it because it isn't a good movie, but it is one HELL of a greek tragedy - in the greek tragedy form of delivery.

I also enjoy the Sequels. But they are modern movies. The acting is better than any of the other trilogies, and if not the acting at least the characterization. The music is good as well. The pacing is in step with modern movie.

I dont think this means anyone has to like any of the trilogies. But I do for those reasons, and I marvel that a director was able to capture SO well both the pulps of the 1930s and greek tragedies. The technical genius to do so astounds me. And I watch them for that achievement, not because they are good movies.

 

[Mallus]

This there's to many characters with built in plot immunity.

Plot immunity didn’t hurt Kirk or Bond. Well okay hurt yes, but kill, no.

 

[wicked cool]

The usual naughty words are review bombing the show, with a notable number of them discussing 'Woke agendas' and 'race based casting' and Disney 'cucking' Star wars etc.

Literally hundreds of 'fans' have posted racist crap on her social medial accounts (including using the 'n' word):

Star Wars Speaks Out Against Racist Comments Directed At Obi-Wan's Moses Ingram - IGN

These are the same toxic Nazi edge lord naughty words who lurk on 4chan, doxxed women over Gamergate, bombed The Last Of Us 2 (over it's inclusion of a Jewish character, lesbian storyline, and transgender character) and got stuck into Kelly Tran and John Bogeya for race stuff as well in Ep 8.

If you're choosing a side in that debate, it's on on the side of Moses Ingram.

i agree thats horrible and there is no excuse

however i think some of your examples are also just bad films/game changes as well . the star wars movies are a complete mess. John Bogeya was treated horribly in this movies by Disney (his storyline was a mess) . he started off as a top 3 character and was basically reduced to a side show . Disney was guilty of some of this with the posters in China and reducing his picture in them

I would argue that there is more to the Moses story . she was quoted in articles months before the premiere that this was going to happen and she talked about the lack of non white characters . I think it was vanity fair but its somewhat easy to find

like i said earlier. i think this is WWE theater

 

[Flamestrike]

Plot immunity didn’t hurt Kirk or Bond. Well okay hurt yes, but kill, no.

Both got killed off.

 

[Imaculata]

I enjoy watching the characters. So far I really like Obi Wan facing his traumas, and trying to reconnect with the force. His confrontation with Vader was something I was looking forward to, and not so much whether he lives or dies... because we all know he lives. But you don't need life or death stakes to create compelling television.