D&D 5E [+] Explain RPG theory without using jargon

[Ovinomancer]

is there not a way to discuss the theory from other people? I mean are ALL people who put this forward toxic? (If so that may be an issue) if not why not just get different sources?

There it is again. @Malmuria

Anything also said by Edwards is asking to be off the table.

 

[Ovinomancer]

How is this post not a complete violation of the rules the Original Poster put forth for this thread?

You skip post 2, and land here?

 

[overgeeked]

That’s the Queen of Hearts saying that? I don’t remember that, but I guess it’s been a while.

“It’s been a while…”

I have an ebook and searched for it.

 

[EzekielRaiden]

I think discussing GNS without discussing edwards is a bit like discussing RPGs without discussing D&D. He’s the 800 lbs gorilla in the room.

There are fruitful comparisons to be made between Edwards and Freud, I think. Each a pioneer of a field that, prior to their efforts, was an unsystematic grab-bag of assorted musings. Each contributed a great deal...and also made things, in some ways, more confusing, and more specific but still very abstruse. And each contributed enormous and unnecessary controversy.

Psychology and psychiatry advanced by an enormous degree due to Freud's work, and some of the theoretical and technical underpinnings of his work still inform the fields today, even though many of his positions (like the Oedipus complex) are...pretty thoroughly deprecated. I think it's quite fair to say that if we hadn't had Freud, our frameworks for understanding things like personality and human growth and development would be significantly less-developed than they are. If, on the other hand, Freud had done the same work but with fewer extremely controversial claims, perhaps those same theories would be better-developed than they are today. We'll never really know.

 

[niklinna]

How is the original post not a violation of the original post (paragraph 2 meets +)?

The [+] was added after a few responses.

 

[GMforPowergamers]

There it is again. @Malmuria

Anything also said by Edwards is asking to be off the table.

i mean... are there NO OTHER SOURCES?!?!? none, no one else has ever written on this topic?

 

[hawkeyefan]

I'm going to try one more time, since I really think that there might be a failure of understanding here. Just so there is no misunderstanding, I just want you to imagine one of us, recasting the Edwards comments and saying that people who use Forge terms or GNS are literally brain damaged, and that they behave similarly to a twelve-year old victim of sexual abuse. The damage of the Forge, like the damage inflicted on a childhood victim of sexual abuse, can never be undone*, and at best we can hope to make "functional repairs" to the people who have had the Forge inflicted upon them.

*To be clear, this is not my opinion, but that is in Edwards' quote.

I may read that and think "ugh that's a crappy take" or "wow that's poorly thought out and worded" or whatever other criticism I may have of it. But it wouldn't affect me in the sense of being insulted. I may read it and be a bit annoyed. I might even respond and share my thoughts on it.

Look at this thread. People have said some things I disagree with or that I find dismissive or rude. But I don't feel insulted by anyone. Perhaps I have a higher threshold for insult or something, but yeah, I don't generally get insulted by things I see people say on the internet.

EDITED TO ADD: Somehow left this part out.

I would still try and engage with it and see if it had a point of some sort. Take Scorcese's comments about Marvel films not too long ago. While I ultimately disagreewith Scorcese, I don't think his comments were entirely without merit. So when he made them, I remember thinking "ugh I don't know about that" and then I considered them, and the films in question and what they do, and I considered their souce material of comic books, of which I am a huge fan. I think his comments were valid, even if I disagree, and I think they sparked what was an interesting discussion about art and film.

I could not imagine someone saying that, no matter how internet awesome and edgelord-y that person thought they were being. Nor would I want to be put in the position of defending that or minimizing that- because I wouldn't.

I also differ on the value of apologies.

Yeah, I'm not defending it. It was a stupid way to make his point.

Minimize, though.... I don't know. He compared it to actual harm, and most folks seem to think that was poorly done. I think comparing what he did to something that inflicts actual harm is just as wrongheaded. I don't think that I'm minimizing it as much as other people are blowing it out of proportion.

I think an apology would have been lost and those who choose to take offense to his comments would continue to do so.

I'm against that as well; I just think that perspectives will differ as to where the issue is occurring. Which, again, likely means it might be an issue of perspective.

Sure, that's absolutely to be expected.

 

[Charlaquin]

I play Vampire because I like to play fantasy make believe.

I played it because I like dressing up slutty and/or goth and standing around looking moody, smoking Djarum Blacks.

…Oh, wait you’re probably talking about the tabletop version.

 

[GMforPowergamers]

There are fruitful comparisons to be made between Edwards and Freud, I think. Each a pioneer of a field that, prior to their efforts, was an unsystematic grab-bag of assorted musings. Each contributed a great deal...and also made things, in some ways, more confusing, and more specific but still very abstruse. And each contributed enormous and unnecessary controversy.

you can site sources OTHER than Freud though...

 

[GMforPowergamers]

I played it because I like dressing up slutty and/or goth and standing around looking moody, smoking Djarum Blacks.

…Oh, wait you’re probably talking about the tabletop version.

I did LARP too so... maybe at 17 those things may have attracted me too