Spelljammer The Forgotten Realms eats Spelljammer before it even finishes digesting Radiant Citadel!

[Cap'n Kobold]

The introductory Spelljammer adventures are set in FR I believe. I have a feeling that the intent is to have spelljammer AL modules that are compatible with the Forgotten Realms Adventurer's League campaign but that leave Realmspace. Later campaigns will introduce discovery of another setting as part of the campaign and after that, that setting (and characters from it) will be compatible with the FR AL campaigns. (As spelljamming now provides an in-game reason for characters to be able to move between settings.)

 

[DEFCON 1]

Trying to parse canon in the D&D multiverse is overrated.

 

[Synthil]

They aren't gods. At least, they wouldn't be considered gods in Eberron (and if I were to meet Tyr or Auril in real life, I wouldn't consider them gods, either). They're just powerful celestials/fiends that have powerful enough magic to make worlds.

Either they are, or they are not gods. Your solution keeps the themes of Eberron intact. But now you just have the same problem in reverse, with Eberron themes bleeding into the Forgotten Realms.

That's what I meant with the multiverse approach muddling the individual settings.

I'm pretty sure that there is just one Demogorgon. The settings share the Great Wheel, and if the Demogorgon is permanently killed by someone from Exandria, the Demogorgon is also dead for the Forgotten Realms.

This is so weird though, no? Is the Exandrian Vecna the same as in every other setting? If so, what if Vox Machina managed to prevent his ascension to godhood? Would the other settings have to stop using him as a god? Now you don't just have to consider the canon of one setting. You have to consider the others canon too. And what's the benefit of this default crossover approach?

 

[Parmandur]

All Candlekeep Mysteries start in Candlekeep. Which last time I checked, is in the FR. Whilst you can relocate them, the book includes no specific suggestions about doing so. It is undoubtably an FR book.

All of Radiant Citadel Adventures start in the Radiant Citadel by default, with relocation suggestions. It is undoubtably not an FR book.

Ah, that's not quite accurate. The Candlekeep section provides suggestions for moving Candlekeep to Greyhawk, Eberron, and Exandria. Nothing that actually happens in the book requires it to be on Faerun. I grant that Innis nominally a Forgotten Realms book...but Innis really a generic book.

 

[DEFCON 1]

It's a multiverse, therefore there are infinite numbers of everything. There isn't just one Demogorgon across the D&D Multiverse, because if there was... I could call WotC up right now and tell them my players killed him, and they would then have to remove Demogorgon from any piece of literature in the future. But they don't do that, because there isn't. My Demogorgon isn't theirs. Just like it isn't yours.

Same way the FR gods don't exist in my Eberron, because my Eberron is my Eberron and any 'canon' is merely from the perspective of someone else. If someone else thinks that the FR gods exist in Eberron because another person made the choice in their game that they did and now they have to accept this 'canon' as their own... that's on them. I choose to not give one whit about canon because it is pointless and goes against the definition of a multiverse in the first place.

A multiverse is infinite. That means there are universes where Demogorgon has been killed and ones where he hasn't. As well as worlds where the Demogorgon is the one like in Stranger Things and not the two-headed Demon Lord. And universes where the gods of Eberron are real entities, and ones where they aren't but the people there all believe they do. And ones where people know they aren't real and instead have just personified concepts by turning them into "deities". And indeed universes where people from Eberron have Plane Shifted out of Eberron and gone to the FR and met the FR gods.

It has all been done and none of it has been done. And thus I find there to be no reason to worry or bother with it. All that concerns me is what happens at my table, the rest can go flake off as far as I care. As I said... worrying about any of this is overrated.

 

[Micah Sweet]

It's a multiverse, therefore there are infinite numbers of everything. There isn't just one Demogorgon across the D&D Multiverse, because if there was... I could call WotC up right now and tell them my players killed him, and they would then have to remove Demogorgon from any piece of literature in the future. But they don't do that, because there isn't. My Demogorgon isn't theirs. Just like it isn't yours.

Same way the FR gods don't exist in my Eberron, because my Eberron is my Eberron and any 'canon' is merely from the perspective of someone else. If someone else thinks that the FR gods exist in Eberron because another person made the choice in their game that they did and now they have to accept this 'canon' as their own... that's on them. I choose to not give one whit about canon because it is pointless and goes against the definition of a multiverse in the first place.

A multiverse is infinite. That means there are universes where Demogorgon has been killed and ones where he hasn't. As well as worlds where the Demogorgon is the one like in Stranger Things and not the two-headed Demon Lord. And universes where the gods of Eberron are real entities, and ones where they aren't but the people there all believe they do. And ones where people know they aren't real and instead have just personified concepts by turning them into "deities". And indeed universes where people from Eberron have Plane Shifted out of Eberron and gone to the FR and met the FR gods.

It has all been done and none of it has been done. And thus I find there to be no reason to worry or bother with it. All that concerns me is what happens at my table, the rest can go flake off as far as I care. As I said... worrying about any of this is overrated.

I understand and agree with this premise in principle, but the issue does seem to be what's in the books, not what you can or can't do at your table. Telling people they just shouldn't worry about it is unlikely to be helpful.

 

[Parmandur]

It's a multiverse, therefore there are infinite numbers of everything. There isn't just one Demogorgon across the D&D Multiverse, because if there was... I could call WotC up right now and tell them my players killed him, and they would then have to remove Demogorgon from any piece of literature in the future. But they don't do that, because there isn't. My Demogorgon isn't theirs. Just like it isn't yours.

Same way the FR gods don't exist in my Eberron, because my Eberron is my Eberron and any 'canon' is merely from the perspective of someone else. If someone else thinks that the FR gods exist in Eberron because another person made the choice in their game that they did and now they have to accept this 'canon' as their own... that's on them. I choose to not give one whit about canon because it is pointless and goes against the definition of a multiverse in the first place.

A multiverse is infinite. That means there are universes where Demogorgon has been killed and ones where he hasn't. As well as worlds where the Demogorgon is the one like in Stranger Things and not the two-headed Demon Lord. And universes where the gods of Eberron are real entities, and ones where they aren't but the people there all believe they do. And ones where people know they aren't real and instead have just personified concepts by turning them into "deities". And indeed universes where people from Eberron have Plane Shifted out of Eberron and gone to the FR and met the FR gods.

It has all been done and none of it has been done. And thus I find there to be no reason to worry or bother with it. All that concerns me is what happens at my table, the rest can go flake off as far as I care. As I said... worrying about any of this is overrated.

The elegant solution they came up with in Fizban's has legs: there is a Platonic Form of Demogorgan, and other WotC IP, that allows them to instantiate in different worlds in different ways.

 

[Hussar]

I haven’t read Fizban’s, so I can’t really comment. But if that’s true, that’s pretty much a complete reversal of how DnD has worked in the past.

There aren’t infinite versions of these beings. At least not in the past there wasn’t. There was always only one of these beings. One Demogorgon. Full stop.

Which of course brings up all sorts of weirdness.

But to me, semantic quibbling over “it’s not a god, it’s a Power” seems somewhat pointless. Power and god are the same thing.

 

[James Gasik]

It makes a little sense though. It doesn't do you much good to say "there is only one Orcus in the multiverse", when each individual DM campaign might have their own Orcus (or none at all!). What good does it to do to say "there is only one of this individual ever (like the Tarrasque once was)" if it can be killed in each individual home campaign?

So this approach says, "yes, all D&D campaigns are part of the D&D multiverse....even yours."

It's The World as Myth- everything is canon somewhere.

 

[Hussar]

Oh I totally agree with you. 100%. But that’s not how it’s presented in the books. You don’t have a Greyhawk Demogorgon and a Krynn Demogorgon. You just have one and only one. Same as all the other unique entities in the game. Regardless of setting, Asmodeus lives on the ninth plane of Hell. Even in settings that don’t have Hell apparently.

Which makes for some weird contradictions when going from setting to setting.