D&D 5E Planescape shows up in the wild. Tease from Chris Perkins.

[Nikosandros]

God I wish you were right and zombies weren't popular instead of everywhere with no good reason.

I still have hard feelings toward the friends who tricked me into playing Pandemic: Legacy.

Yes, I also found Pandemic Legacy an awful game. I finished it only as a form or respect to the friend who had bought it, but we all hated it. Not only the plot, but especially the gameplay.

 

[MonsterEnvy]

The difference being that in 2e they followed up with very in depth products on all of the planes. 5e doesn't follow-up on releases. Still waiting for more than the sliver of the Forgotten Realms that they released 8 years ago. Not one additional setting book for the FR has been released since that time.

Most of the FR based adventures contain lots of setting info

 

[Maxperson]

Most of the FR based adventures contain lots of setting info

That doesn't do me any good. I'm not paying for a bunch of adventure stuff just so that I can have some scattered setting info in a bunch of different books. Nor can I be expected to do so. That scattered setting stuff is good for those who like to run those adventures, but don't count at all for those of us that don't.

 

[Henadic Theologian]

On the cares about lore bit, I think there's a big difference between cares about lore generally and cares about lore circa 1997. There's certainly less of the latter, mostly because ~40% of the player base wasn't born by 1997. They're not attached to previous lore because they don't even know it. Hell, I'm about to turn 40 in another year and I started playing 1997.

That's actually one of the three issues with the Hadozee, and by far the most minor one, and the one WotC (for obvious reasons) did not address,. It certainly helped raise the other issues, but it very much was not the whole shemozzle.

The two big ones, which WotC did address were that:

A) The background of the new Hadozee in the new SJ did have them essentially as ex-slaves, just not quite as explicitly. This got errata'd.

Here's the original 5E new Spelljammer, in which they were essentially uplifted slave-soldiers:

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Which got changed to:

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The other main problem was the very "Minstrel"-esque (in the Black racial stereotype sense) art pieces of which there were a couple. I believe they've been removed from the digital version and future printings.

However I think what your main point is that people get a lot of their info from wikis today, and that's absolutely right.

I still don't know why they didn't go with a more Planet of the Apes thing.

 

[eyeheartawk]

That doesn't do me any good. I'm not paying for a bunch of adventure stuff just so that I can have some scattered setting info in a bunch of different books. Nor can I be expected to do so. That scattered setting stuff is good for those who like to run those adventures, but don't count at all for those of us that don't.

I never pass up an opportunity:

 

[Henadic Theologian]

That doesn't do me any good. I'm not paying for a bunch of adventure stuff just so that I can have some scattered setting info in a bunch of different books. Nor can I be expected to do so. That scattered setting stuff is good for those who like to run those adventures, but don't count at all for those of us that don't.

Also most FR adventures are just on the Swordcoast, so the adventures really don't fix the problem with 5e FR.

 

[Henadic Theologian]

I never pass up an opportunity:

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The pic sums up the poor treatment 5e has given for FR for years. This a huge cool setting, but if it's not on the Swordcoast it might as well be tossed into the Far Realms.

 

[eyeheartawk]

The pic sums up the poor treatment 5e has given for FR for years. This a huge cool setting, but if it's not on the Swordcoast it might as well be tossed into the Far Realms.

Dude, what are you talking about?!

The Red Wizards of Thay showed up in a couple of adventure paths! That's basically like a nation book on Thay! I have no idea what you are all complaining about /s.

Seriously though, I've had someone on this board once tell me with all the sincerity in the world that Ghosts of Saltmarsh counts as a Greyhawk sourcebook since there's like six described hexes in it.

 

[Parmandur]

Also most FR adventures are just on the Swordcoast, so the adventures really don't fix the problem with 5e FR.

The Sword Coast is a gigantic area: even with allt he Sword Coast campaigns, they haven't detailed most of it in depth (which isn't a problem, leaves room for DMs to build)

 

[doctorbadwolf]

The other generational change is how people, even hardcore fans, expect to consume lore. These days, fans expect to get their lore fix off the internet. The idea of sequentially wading through a print book is something grandparents did. FR Wiki matters. An FR print book does not.

Just chiming in to point out that…kids literally still read books. Like that hasn’t gone away, books for kids still do numbers, kids still prefer paper books when surveyed about digital vs paper…like the idea they don’t want to “wade theough” paper books is just false.