D&D (2024) Do you plan to adopt D&D5.5One2024Redux?

[Demetrios1453]

1. Turning Smite into a bonus action is a huge one with me.

There were a number more I ranted to them about in the feedback, but I can't recall those now.

I'm currently playing a paladin, and this is a nerf that's fine with me. I tend to waaaay outshine others with smites as they are now.

 

[Maxperson]

I'm currently playing a paladin, and this is a nerf that's fine with me. I tend to waaaay outshine others with smites as they are now.

I don't mind a once per round limitation. It's making it a bonus action that I dislike.

 

[Shardstone]

I cannot think of a specific reason to not play the new Barbarian, Fighter, Monk, Rogue, Sorcerer, or Warlock, all of which are amazing upgrades on the base class. Furthermore, the other classes -- specifically Wizard and Cleric -- barely got changed at all. IMO, the new PHB is a strict upgrade in quality, not just in power creep or nerfs. I think these are more enjoyable versions of the common classes and (slightly) better class design.

 

[James Gasik]

I guess we need to differentiate between "5e compatible with new core books" and "5.2024(5?) in two years time".

For example, take an AD&D lover who takes one look at 2e's Kits, expanded multiclassing, Mythos Priests, and Complete Book of Whatevers and says heck no! We've already seen the design of 5e shift multiple times over it's lifespan, there's no reason to believe that 5.2024(5) won't take off like a rocket in directions someone who is happy with 5e as it is won't want at their table.

Sure, you could just not use new books, but I've seen how options simply existing in an edition colors people's perceptions of it. Like when people talk negatively about 3.5, they're not talking about the PHB. They're talking about multiclass builds with 3 Prestige Classes, Water Half-Orcs, Kobold Shenanigans, Tome of Battle, Magic of Incarnum, Epic Spellcasting, Expanded Psionics Handbook, etc. etc..

 

[TwoSix]

One of the examples I use when people claim compatibility is that I'm going to use my 2014 paladin with his unlimited smites and the 2014 great weapon master feat in a 2024 game. 10 to 1 says I get turned down.

You can argue against that attitude, but it's arguing against human nature. A few will see past that and allow players to mix up 5e and 5.5e, but I expect that the vast majority won't. I certainly wasn't allowed to use 3e stuff despite 3.5e being compatible with it.

Yea, that’s the attitude that doesn’t make sense to me. We’ve had the 2014 paladin and 2014 GWM for 10 years. They haven’t broken the game. Why would they somehow becomes problems just because a new book is out?

 

[Micah Sweet]

Yea, but that's the number one attitude I'm arguing against. It just doesn't make sense to publish books that are officially "compatible" and then not treat them like they're compatible.

If you're running your character, and I'm running my character, there's no "page" we have to share.

Are you arguing against the DMs, or the publisher? Because it's the publisher publishing books that are officially "compatible", and the DMs who are or are not treating them as such. Which of these is a problem in your opinion?

 

[Micah Sweet]

I'm currently playing a paladin, and this is a nerf that's fine with me. I tend to waaaay outshine others with smites as they are now.

There will always be people happy to nerf their own effectiveness. But there will also be (perhaps a lot) of people who won't.

 

[mamba]

I’m also curious about the other side, what new 5.5e things do you most dislike?

there is not much I dislike, some things do not go far enough imo (Weapon masteries), mostly I liked the stuff that did not make it in better than what we got instead… so is it the better 5e? probably, but I am still lukewarm about it because it just did not do enough

 

[Micah Sweet]

I cannot think of a specific reason to not play the new Barbarian, Fighter, Monk, Rogue, Sorcerer, or Warlock, all of which are amazing upgrades on the base class. Furthermore, the other classes -- specifically Wizard and Cleric -- barely got changed at all. IMO, the new PHB is a strict upgrade in quality, not just in power creep or nerfs. I think these are more enjoyable versions of the common classes and (slightly) better class design.

Then they should double down on confidence in their own design and stop pretending it's not a replacement for the 2014 material.

 

[TwoSix]

Are you arguing against the DMs, or the publisher? Because it's the publisher publishing books that are officially "compatible", and the DMs who are or are not treating them as such. Which of these is a problem in your opinion?

The DMs.

I’m not buying the 2024 books myself, but it a player wants to update part of their character using the 2024 rules, I have no problem with that.