D&D (2024) Do you plan to adopt D&D5.5One2024Redux?

[Micah Sweet]

Because it's compatible with the old stuff. They've been extremely upfront about the nature of what's being published and they have not failed to admit anything. If you prefer to the 2014 monk you can still play that in the same game as the 2024 monk.

I am getting the sense you didn't follow the playtest? Which is fine. But then why did you just talk about it as if WOTC is "not admitting" they are putting out "replacement" material without reading what it looks like? Micah you've commented on this quite a lot to have not even spent 10 minutes reviewing the last couple of playtests.

I have read what it looks like. It looks like replacement for a the core of WotC. Most compatible, true, but replacement material none the less. Not to say so is marketing spin.

 

[TwoSix]

its not a 5e game to those that wont allow 2024 stuff in their 5e game.

And I'm making a normative statement saying that they shouldn't do that. Just include both!

People keep acting like it's an either/or choice between the two books. It's not.

You don't have to pick between the calamari and the bruschetta as your appetizer; just order both of them! Let people eat what they want!

 

[FrogReaver]

And I'm making a normative statement saying that they shouldn't do that. Just include both!

Which is the root problem. They absolutely should do that if they want to and normative statement incoming - you shouldn’t be trying to yuck in their yum.

Let people eat what they want!

Of course, but they just can’t go anywhere they want and expect to be served stuff not on the menu.

 

[Micah Sweet]

I think I've completely lost the thread of what you're arguing.

There are no obsolete books. The new books are not replacements. They are merely a 2nd on-ramp to the same place everyone is going, which is a 5e game.

Yes, that sure is what WotC has put out.

 

[mamba]

No it doesn't. I guarantee you will be able to run a post-2024 adventure with a mix of 2024 and 2014 builds, or even all 2014.

I am not arguing that you cannot, I just expect most tables to use one or the other. I see no reason to use both core sets, whether it can be done or not, and in two years or so I expect this to have sorted itself out at those tables that initially did

 

[TwoSix]

Which is the root problem. They absolutely should do that if they want to and normative statement incoming - you shouldn’t be trying to yuck in their yum.

[normative]Sure, but they shouldn't want to. [/normative]

Of course, but they just can’t go anywhere they want and expect to be served stuff not on the menu.

The DM is not the restaurant in this metaphor.

Metaphors aside, it's entirely on the DM to present a rationale why they're excluding either book, just like it would be if they wanted to exclude warlocks, or dragonborn, or all of Tasha's. There are certainly rationales I could accept, but "How can I have two versions of the same thing?" is an exceptionally weak one.

 

[mamba]

Because some people own one book or ther other, and want to. This was normal with 3E and 3.5 material 20 years ago, in my experience, and they did not take as much care for compatibility then (probsvly why they are now).

well, I am not interested in having different variants of the same spell at my table, so whoever has the 2014 or 2024 book is not in sync with the game being played, depending on which version I decide to use.

I assume I am not the only one either. So one version naturally falls by the wayside unless you make a concerted effort to keep it in

 

[FrogReaver]

I am not arguing that you cannot, I just expect most tables to use one or the other. I see no reason to use both core sets, whether it can be done or not, and in two years or so I expect this to have sorted itself out at those tables that initially did

I don’t see DMs allowing the 2014 moon Druid in a 2024 game. I don’t see players opting for the 2014 monk in a 2024 game.

Etc.

 

[mamba]

People keep acting like it's an either/or choice between the two books. It's not.

they are called core books for a reason, this is not PHB2, even if you can choose to treat it that way

 

[Corinnguard]

They are merely a 2nd on-ramp to the same place everyone is going, which is a 5e game.

There are now several on-ramps thanks to last year's OGL brouhaha. There is the on-ramp heading to D&D2024, but there are also on-ramps for EN Publishing's Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition, and Kobold Press' Tales of the Valiant. Both of whom were based off of D&D2014. It all depends on which road you want to take.