D&D General Richard Whitters poll on twitter, "Will you be buying the newest edition of D&D?"

[KYRON45]

I don't think that people are taking this poll to mean anything other than the informal Twitter poll that it is. From what I gather, @darjr the OP is using this Twitter poll as a way to invite similar discussion on the subject in this forum and posters here are supplying their own answers as part of that discussion.


Most scientific questionnaires typically include questions that let you filter responses, though not by notions of "true gamer" or "fake gamer." However, I think that most people here are able to recognize that this is an informal Twitter poll, which is why most people aren't working themselves up to attack the validity of an informal Twitter poll on scientific grounds. So I presume people here use their own sound and reasonable judgment to put a limited amount of stock into any conclusions drawn from said poll. As @Umbran says, a Twitter poll will not produce a poll with scientific rigor. Of course, that also doesn't preclude people from being interested in the results of an informal Twitter poll.

I appreciate this response. Not every question is an argument. Thank you.

 

[tetrasodium]

Topic avoidance for forum posters.

I quoted the current numbers(mainly for folks who might be browsing from work with web filtering & posterity on page 2 & 12 then explained that you could click the image/link in the first post to reach the poll Somewhere in there is a post that quotes the guy's twitter bio because who he us seems relevant.

At what point did one of those posts give you the impression that I was volunteering in going into a deep explanation on the basics of how things like twitter facebook youtube & so on make recommendations in someone's feed?

 

[darjr]

I don't think that people are taking this poll to mean anything other than the informal Twitter poll that it is. From what I gather, @darjr the OP is using this Twitter poll as a way to invite similar discussion on the subject in this forum and posters here are supplying their own answers as part of that discussion.

Yea. This.

Also, my two cents.
I’m not interested in 5e really, nor WotC 5e specifically. Not because it’s bad or anything but I’ve always been more of an OSR style gamer anyway.

I wasn’t going to buy the PHB but I was invited to run events for a FLGS local midnight release. So I guess I’ll get one?

 

[Parmandur]

I think I understand your perspective better, thanks for breaking it down for me. I like having that kind of very thorough standard, it's what we all should strive toward when thinking of trends and data.

Thanks, I am trying to understand what is happening in TTRPGs rationally.

I'm sure you recognize that "representative samples that are properly sourced" are almost impossible to find in the RPG industry. So, as I understand your view (correct me if I'm wrong) it's that: In lieu of hard data with representative samples and proper sourcing – which does not exist in the RPG industry for the most part – you believe that the marketing decisions of Hasbro/WotC reflect the trends in how the game rules are being used. Is that pretty close?

The thing is, I not recognize the bolded statement. Publicly available? Sure. But Hasbro and WotC do collect thst sort of data, beyond just Unearted Arcana tests they have a large private playtest network and get detailed professional market research.

My assumption is not that WotC information is perfect, nor that they perfectly based on it: but rather that they have hood data and react rationally based on that data.

The thing I've found about assuming that, is that WotC behavior usually makes sense. So I feel that if if it has predictive power, and works...that it makes sense to keep with that.

One of the challenges I've noticed in sharing dissenting viewpoints with you on ENWorld is that I embrace anecdotes. I value the N of 1, and attempt to understand that person's perspective. Perhaps what is objectionable to you is when I or others attempt to expand that small data as some form of umbrella truth? And that leads to the breakdown of communication?

I've attempted to stop doing that for my personal experiences – I recognized years ago that I represent no one in tabletop gaming except me, and I am an outlier in many ways.

Oh, sure, personal experience is one thing. I just get a small burr on my saddle when something that is not at all clearly true like "the Advebture Day is a problem WotC is ignoring because they are lazy" is true, when there is no solid reason in my mind to believe that is the case.

 

[KYRON45]

I quoted the current numbers(mainly for folks who might be browsing from work with web filtering & posterity on page 2 & 12 then explained that you could click the image/link in the first post to reach the poll Somewhere in there is a post that quotes the guy's twitter bio because who he us seems relevant.

At what point did one of those posts give you the impression that I was volunteering in going into a deep explanation on the basics of how things like twitter facebook youtube & so on make recommendations in someone's feed?

Were all volunteers here.

 

[SlyFlourish]

I thought that was a quote from Mr. Crawford in their 2024 videos, and not one only made once... granted that was 'your DM will hate it' or something along those lines, but that does not really make it any better

"Daze (Cost: 2d6): Who says a support build can’t also deal damage? If your target fails a Constitution saving throw, they’ll only get to move or take an action or Bonus Action on their next turn. Frustrating for Dungeon Masters but fantastic for your party."

https://www.dndbeyond.com/posts/1752-2024-rogue-vs-2014-rogue-whats-new

 

[darjr]

"Daze (Cost: 2d6): Who says a support build can’t also deal damage? If your target fails a Constitution saving throw, they’ll only get to move or take an action or Bonus Action on their next turn. Frustrating for Dungeon Masters but fantastic for your party."

https://www.dndbeyond.com/posts/1752-2024-rogue-vs-2014-rogue-whats-new

That’s in the rules?

 

[Parmandur]

That’s in the rules?

No, the "frustrating your DM" line is just a dumb joke in the Beyond summary article, they are not seriously suggesting thst DMs will be frustrated by the Cunning Strike powers of a Rogue, nor will that dumb joke likely be in the PHB.

 

[Quickleaf]

Thanks, I am trying to understand what is happening in TTRPGs rationally.

The thing is, I not recognize the bolded statement. Publicly available? Sure. But Hasbro and WotC do collect thst sort of data, beyond just Unearted Arcana tests they have a large private playtest network and get detailed professional market research.

My assumption is not that WotC information is perfect, nor that they perfectly based on it: but rather that they have hood data and react rationally based on that data.

The thing I've found about assuming that, is that WotC behavior usually makes sense. So I feel that if if it has predictive power, and works...that it makes sense to keep with that.

Oh, sure, personal experience is one thing. I just get a small burr on my saddle when something that is not at all clearly true like "the Advebture Day is a problem WotC is ignoring because they are lazy" is true, when there is no solid reason in my mind to believe that is the case.

Yes, sorry, I should have clarified I meant "publicly available." You corrected me.

We absolutely share that data-driven impulse.

I think the divergence is once we get to assumptions of how Hasbro/WotC's decision-making works, but that's so high-level and removed from personal experience, it's probably not valuable for me to ruminate on.

I do wish with the current 2024 D&D press that we would see a little more behind-the-scenes that is not player material focused, but more about the Adventuring Day and bigger picture or GM-facing stuff. Maybe they're staging their marketing releases so that'll come after the PHB push.

 

[SlyFlourish]

That’s in the rules?

No, its in their preview article on the D&D Beyond website linked in my post.