D&D (2024) What is your oppinion of 5.24 so far?

[Oofta]

Coupled with the fact that players have had 10 YEARS to find and come up with an alternative to short rests and playtest their ideas completely and fully to finally get a method they would prefer to use and install into their own games. Goodness knows posters here had invented dozens of short rest alternatives over the past decade that any single person could have yoinked for their own game if they really wanted.

But if no one ever did that and instead just kept using the standard rules (all the while just complaining and complaining and complaining about it) for these full 10 years, never bothering to even attempt an alternative (or convince their DM to try an alternative for even a short campaign)... I have little to no sympathy for them.

There are certainly different models than short and long rests for recovery that may work better for most people. But long and short rests are easy to explain and use. But a different approach would require a lot of balancing and would be a very clean break in the system, not just an update.

So I use short rest is overnight, long rest is several days up to a week depending on circumstances. It works for me.

 

[Parmandur]

What was the original idea here, how did they plan on ditching short rests? Did we get examples?

I'm disappointed that they didn't just decouple long rests from sleeping. It's the best house rule I adopted. Up to GM taste, whether it's 2 days or a week, try separating sleep from rests. It's very helpful.

To be clear, at no time did they indicate they were getting rid of Shoet Rests: what people are talking about is the first UA Warlock, which was not Shoet Rest dependent. Thst wasn't shot down by a YouTube video, but by UA feedback.

 

[tetrasodium]

streamlined.

Only for players

 

[Parmandur]

I think some of the comments they made about making the game more difficult for the DM were made tongue in cheek.

I disagree. I am a DM and I just don’t see these as big deal. Having DMed 4 editions of D&D during my life time and various other games a lot is being made of nothing.

They were all clearly just silly little wink at the camera jokes. It is absurd that anyone is making a stink over those silly jokes.

 

[mamba]

In other words... the long-rest Warlock stunk and everyone told WotC so...

it needed some balancing but WotC in their endless wisdom gave up on it instead

 

[mamba]

Far from delighting people, most of those that actually like the current warlock were outright disgusted by that travesty. And taking it off a short rest cycle wasn't the problem.

never said it was, but WotC never iterated on it, they simply gave up

 

[Parmandur]

the early UA gave us a Warlock that was not short rest based, but since it didn’t ‘delight’ enough people they scrapped it

No, it wasn't even received lukewarmly: the feedback on that attempt was very bad: people wanted Pact Magic very forcefully.

WotC doesn't want change for changes own sake, but to please their players.

 

[Parmandur]

never said it was, but WotC never iterated on it, they simply gave up

They always abandon designs thst people dislike: not the first time in UA, certainly not the last.

Check out the final UA Mystic, still free on DMsGuild: it was fully tuned and ready to go into print in Xanathar's Guide...but people didn't want it, even after WotC tried three times. Since then, they have given up on iterating on stuff that didn't rate well.

 

[mamba]

To be clear, at no time did they indicate they were getting rid of Shoet Rests: what people are talking about is the first UA Warlock

and if that had succeeded, they would have done it for the other short rest classes too. Pretty sure they did mention that during one of their interviews

 

[mellored]

Only for players

They are hyping how much better arranged they are, and how the CR rating are more accurate. So I strongly expect it to be more streamlined for the DM as well.

No idea on how much more. But better is better.

Again, expect Topple mastery. If they didn't change it, I probably will.