Pineapple Express: Someone Is Wrong on the Internet?

[RealAlHazred]

What did I say to call for THAT?

I might be a Canadian, but I am bilingual in Southern

My wife is from the South, I grew up in New Jersey. She had to explain to me that most Southerners use the phrase only ironically; she has gotten used to the Jersey method of saying what you mean. My mother-in-law, however, only uses "Bless your heart" unironically.

 

[trappedslider]

so, we're not going to give players and DMs credit for being smart enough to know that doing that isn't explicitly written in the book is okay to try? okay then

and now you know why i avoided the RPG discussions because people want to treat the common player/DM who isn't on the board like they are idiots who can barely read the rule books. Maybe I'm giving those player/s dms too much credit.

 

[Scribe]

so, we're not going to give players and DMs credit for being smart enough to know that doing that isn't explicitly written in the book is okay to try? okay then

and now you know why i avoided the RPG discussions because people want to treat the common player/DM who isn't on the board like they are idiots who can barely read the rule books. Maybe I'm giving those player/s dms too much credit.

There have been threads (multiple) locked over discussions where the 'issue' is explicitly, clearly, openly called out in the rule books as NOT an issue.

 

[billd91]

Right now, I’m feeling kind of validated in my ignoring choices.

 

[Snarf Zagyg]

Gonna nope out of that conversation. Just not worth it.

What I know I should do when I see certain conversations...

...what I actually do ....

 

[Scribe]

 

[Ryujin]

This statement, with that exact delivery, is one of my go-tos.

 

[Ryujin]

My wife is from the South, I grew up in New Jersey. She had to explain to me that most Southerners use the phrase only ironically; she has gotten used to the Jersey method of saying what you mean. My mother-in-law, however, only uses "Bless your heart" unironically.

Fortunately it is almost always very clear which is intended, based on level of emphasis. The more forcefully stated, the more likely it's meant sarcastically.

 

[Umbran]

Sure but there is also just pointing to any criticisms as that (or some other social ill or toxic behavior).

So, I was referring to review-bombing upthread. Don't even try to tell me that criticism launched before the movie could be seen is legitimate.

Also, when the "criticism" is part and parcel with hounding performers off of social media, you can go pound sand and not waste your time trying to tell me it is legitimate.

When you have critique of female characters, and you will twist and turn, stretch and bend like Plastic Man to justify how male characters from the same property are not similar, I am sorry, but that's bogus too.

When the vehemence of criticism only seems to land on movies with female leads, again, I'm sorry, that's stretching credulity. I don't buy it.

Women in movies are not beyond critique. But that critique needs to be pretty solidly supported and demonstrably even-handed. If you join a chorus of sexists, you need to take the effort to really separate yourself from them.

And if that's not fair, I don't really care - needing to separate yourself from toxic people is nowhere near as unfair as what happens to the performers at the hands of toxicity.

With the right to express an opinion comes a responsibility to do it well. If someone doesn't want to take that responsibility seriously, we are under no onus to take the expression of their opinion seriously, either.

 

[Bedrockgames]

With the right to express an opinion comes a responsibility to do it well. If someone doesn't want to take that responsibility seriously, we are under no onus to take the expression of their opinion seriously, either.

And you don't have to take someone seriously if they are misbehing or mistreating people. Like I said I draw the line at folks going after creators and actors personally online. But what tends to happen is all criticism gets dismissed because people point to toxic actors or review bombing, which again media companies also do in their own favor (and online culture is terrible, there are toxic people on all sides of these discussions we can point to). At the end of the day, this is simply about whether a person liked a movie or not. That shouldn't be a measure of them as a person. And they shouldn't be lumped in with people doing questionable things simply because they share a negative opinion on a media franchise. Is toxic negativity a thing? Yes of course. But so is toxic positivity. Again, if someone doesn't like a movie, thinks the writing is bad, or feels the messaging is heavy handed, that isn't a sin.