Henry Cavill's Warhammer 40K Show Is Happening

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Long rumoured, the Henry Cavill fronted Warhammer 40K TV show is apparently officially a go at Amazon.

Amazon acquired the rights 2 years ago to produce a TV show based on Games Workshop's Warhammer 40,000 game. Deadline is reporting, and Cavill himself confirming, that the series is now officially in production.

WH40K is the most popular miniature wargame in the world. Originally published in 1987, it is on its 10th edition. Set in the far future, it mixes fantasy tropes with sci-fi in a grim, dark universe. It has spawned multiple tabletop roleplaying games, such as Dark Heresy, Rogue Trader, and more, the current lineup being publishing by Cubicle 7.

According to the deal made 2 yeasr ago, Amazon had until December 2024 to mutually agree on “creative guidelines for the films and television series to be developed by Amazon”. There is no showrunner yet. The show will also be produced by Vertigo Entertainment.

To celebrate some Warhammer news, I decided to make a pilgrimage to the very first place I bought Warhammer models over 30 years ago....the Little Shop, on my home island of Jersey!

My incredible team and I, alongside the brilliant minds at Games Workshop, have been working away in concept rooms, breaking down approaches to the enormity and magnificence of the Warhammer world. Together, we've been sifting through the plethora of incredible characters and poring over old tomes and texts. Our combined efforts have led us to a fantastic place to start our Universe, which has been agreed upon by those up on high at both Amazon and Games Workshop. That starting place shall, for now, remain a secret. Watch this space, though—more to come in time!
- Henry Cavill​

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As an aside, most of the problems with 40K not being seen as satire etc. stem from 3rd edition through about 7th edition 40K.

I certainly dont want to get into this too deeply, but if you follow the setting from RT, through 3rd to 7th (and beyond) you are calling out what is essentially the formative period of the current and now established view of what 40K is.

Was it a hard parody/satire with a lot of punkish/joking art, writing and presentation in the early years of RT? Absolutely. Is that really the 40K of today? Outside of Orks, and some of the better writers for Black Library? No, not really.

Its the grimdark trope maker. Its the Horus Heresy. Its an art style and tone that absolutely had a reset in 3rd, that carried on for over a quarter of a century.

If one was to take a review of.

The rule books, codex books, white dwarf, Black Library novels, Horus Heresy series, the Forge World Black Books, from 3rd, to today? There is a very very consistent portrayal, and I am sure you are aware of the explosion of growth that was going on the last 10 years especially since 8th and Covid.

Easter eggs of the old take on the setting may exist, but what you are calling out (3rd to 7th) + HH, is the foundation of 40K to the vast vast majority of its fans.

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As to what Amazon/Cavill should do? Its this series.


Otherwise, I pretty much dread having the wider culture look to hard at 40K, I dont want to see what it gets twisted into.
 

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I certainly dont want to get into this too deeply, but if you follow the setting from RT, through 3rd to 7th (and beyond) you are calling out what is essentially the formative period of the current and now established view of what 40K is.
No.

Sorry. I get that if that's when you started you might think that, but the difference between 2nd edition and 3rd in terms of concepts is nearly non-existent. The main difference is tone and emphasis - and note grimdark vs not, rather humourlessness and starry-eye'd-ness towards the Imperium rather than the cheer and cynicism of 2nd, which was even more pronounced in 1st, as you've acknowledged. Almost everything that really matters in 40K, except for the later-added races, was in place in 2nd edition. That's where the consistency you're discussing comes from to the limited extent it exists. It's also worth noting that the three races added in 3rd have been pretty inconsistent in how they've been portrayed - more so than the rest of the setting even.

Its an art style and tone that absolutely had a reset in 3rd, that carried on for over a quarter of a century.
Not that long. That style only lasted until about 2013, maybe a little later in some products, and then slowly started dying, perhaps because they were acting as a hard-limiter on 40K's appeal. Modern 40K is far closer to 2nd edition in most ways than it is to say, 5th, setting and tone-wise. The art style isn't markedly different from 2nd to 3rd and onwards, either - that's a wild and weird thing to say in the face of the fact that many of the models in 40K lasted from 2nd edition until in many cases very recently! Eldar had models which were 30 years old! Is the modern Eldar aesthetic distinguishable from the 1992/1993 one? No. It is not. The same is largely true for everyone except the Marines, who military-fetish'd up a fair bit. But no-one is expecting the Beakies to come back, even though in a better world they would!

The rule books, codex books, white dwarf, Black Library novels, Horus Heresy series, the Forge World Black Books, from 3rd, to today? There is a very very consistent portrayal
Nah. There's an obvious change in the rule books/codices around 7th, and unarguably 8th. Suddenly they start being much more interested in the universe as a whole, the level of grimdark goes from like 11 to about 8 (esp. as they stop insisting the entire galaxy will definitely be eaten by tyranids, no question about it), so still very grimdark, but we're back at 2nd edition levels of grimdark. The Space Marines aside amount of gothic-ness starts coming up again, whereas from 3rd through parts of 7th, it had been going down, replaced instead by militarism/military-fetish stuff (which instead gets silo'd off into the Marines).

As for "consistent" re: anything about the Black Library or codices, not really. One BL book will have a completely different vision to another, even between the better authors. The codices frequently contradict themselves from edition to edition, and sometimes even within a codex there will be non-in-character contradictions because the writers aren't paying attention - this is lot less bad now than it was 4th/5th/6th, note. But huge revisions and retcons, some unintentional, happened all the time. In more recent years there's been more intentionality to it.

As I noted earlier, there is a limited kind of consistency in terms of what's going on and how things work, but that is almost all rooted in 2nd edition precepts, not 3rd and later. Especially not 4th/5th/6th, which were the nadir of lore for 40K. If there's a big idea about 40K that doesn't relate to newer xenos, you can bet it got locked down in the 2nd edition and original Epic Scale era.

It's very easy to tell this if you've been involved with 40K as long as I have (since 1988). Listen to a podcast about it and people who only started in 2015 will be quoting lore concepts that are from 2nd edition or earlier constantly - and yeah they often think such and such latter-day book introduced something, until they have some lore boffin correct them. They're the building blocks of the setting.

Easter eggs of the old take on the setting may exist, but what you are calling out (3rd to 7th) + HH, is the foundation of 40K to the vast vast majority of its fans.
They're confusing 2nd edition and Epic Scale with those editions, if they think that. 1st (Rogue Trader) is rather different (and smarter but less ornate and coherent) but that's a longer discussion. 8th/9th/10th have distinctly revised 40K into something that's a lot closer to 2nd, hugely so.

Otherwise, I pretty much dread having the wider culture look to hard at 40K, I dont want to see what it gets twisted into.
I don't think it'll get twisted at all, that's the thing, and I think that, for various reasons, is the actual issue. There are different groups of people who worry:

1) People who like some Imperium faction(s) or other and are afraid that said factions(s) being shown to insane fascist religious nuts will somehow reflect badly on them IRL. This is a very short-sighted view and you can see that from how no-one who likes the Tyranids, Dark Eldar or Orks shares it. People aren't good faith going to go "OMG r U in fact a fascist because U like this?". Media literacy is bad - but it ain't that bad!

2) A much smaller and nastier/grimier group of people who genuinely use 40K fandom as a faux-ironic cover for real fascism, and unironically love the Imperium and think they are the "good guys". These people are usually pretty easy to discover in conversation because they confuse the Imperium's brand of fascism with their own, and think the Imperium would give a toss about human ethnicities, genders, sexualities and so on, which literally has never been the case, and doesn't even make sense. You see anyone claiming to be a 40K fan then saying the 40K series is "woke" because a black woman is a high-ranking member of the Imperial Guard or the like, you know they're one of these creeps. Another very easy way to spot them is that they love to get mad about the time a couple of years ago when GW put out a statement unequivocally calling the Imperium insane theofascists and stating that they are in no way the "good guys", rather than thinking it was funny and accurate.

3) People who think that 40K glamourizes fascism and, especially in this present era (transnationally) will give hope and succour to fascists and fascist-sympathizers. The problem here is, those people are not entirely wrong. This is why you are flatly wrong to insist we've got to promote stuff from 3rd through 7th - because that was a deepening nadir of 40K slipping from being cynical and satirical, into drinking its own Koolaid. There are bits of the 4th through 6th particularly that are straightforwardly glamourization of fascism and genocide, and a lot of 3rd's stuff about the Imperium verges on that. One thing a 40K show can't do is glamourize fascism, genocide, theocracy, and so on, but if it leans too hard on that middle era, it will. But as you say:

and some of the better writers for Black Library?
Exactly.

So why would you want this to be badly written? That standard of lore writing in the era I'm discussing was much lower than both 2nd edition/Epic and 8th and onwards. It's the nadir of GW's own writing about 40K (even if the BL continued on its merry way).

Which leads us to the 4th group.

4) People who simply don't want 40K subject to like, thoughtful examination by actual adults, to people thinking about how it would actually work (despite the 5% of BL authors who are already doing this). For some reason, they don't trust that it can be done justice, and want to keep it cartoonish and childish, as most of the writing in most of the codices is (you can be extremely grimdark whilst being fundamentally teenage, indeed most grimdark is sophomoric at best), so that they never have to consider an Imperial Guard going home to his family or that much of the Imperium isn't completely horrific 24/7, but is just people living their lives under a varyingly oppressive regime until things go wrong.

This seems very silly to me, if Amazon can make The Boys considerably better than the juvenile and grimdark source material and do the same for Fallout, which again, FO3 and FO4, largely juvenile and rather grimdark (even though FO1/2/NV were inarguable less grimdark and arguably less juvenile), then why should we not hope for the same with 40K? Both shows also prove there's no contradiction at all between humour and the kind of grimdark 40K is - and there never was! Only the weird childishness of 3rd edition, where humour (and the Squats!) were excised in the name of making the game Big and Serious for BIG BOYS NOT LITTLE KIDS (whilst marketing hard to 13-year-olds, who are exactly in that mindset) thought this. It lost the joie de guerre of the 40K setting, frankly. That's why the response to more recent editions has been so strong - not just COVID, but they're genuinely tonally far better-judged.

I don't expect a response to all of this as you said you didn't want to get into it too deeply, but the fact is, I've been following 40K since I was a child, and I didn't pull 3rd through 7th out of a hat as being the problem, so I think it's worth explaining (and again, 4th/5th/6th are the worst of it, there is an reverse-arc to it, though I'm unsure if the nadir is 5th or 6th). 3rd was the turn for the worse (despite introducing 3 races, 2 of them cool, one a massive and stupid retcon and I'm still a little mad despite collecting an army of them at one point!), 7th was where things started to improve but still weren't great.

I just want to add I will never, in my life, get over the fact that they took the Squats out of 40K because they were "too unserious" (as it were), and they took the humour out of 40K because they were getting increasingly corporate and frankly stupid since the 1994 IPO (3rd was 1998), and then put in BDSM elves and undead robots, two concepts infinitely sillier and funnier than "Space dwarves with serious firepower (and motorcycles)".
 
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I think the most important thing is that without the black humour, irony and satire, WH40K is ABSOLUTELY TERRIBLE.
Exactly.

And 3rd edition humourless weirdly childish deal really showed this up so well. It was like going from colour to monochrome. A lot of the lore was just incredibly lame if you had to take it 100% seriously, because it wasn't written by someone who was taking it 100% seriously. It's too ridiculous for that.

This is the whole issue with "3rd to 7th is the core of 40K!" - it ain't! Almost the Imperium core-lore is basically or literally 2nd edition or even 1st edition lore which was very much written with a degree of tongue-in-cheek. There is some later stuff that's important but most of that is either very late 7th or 8th and onwards, so back into the "good zone" of 40K.

And most 40K games and so on do get this - not all of them, but for example Owlcat's recent Rogue Trader game 100% gets it, it's full of humour and silly business and stuff you can't entirely take seriously alongside (or sometimes even part of) decisions to nuke a planet or send prisoner-slaves into a mine full of genestealers or whatever.
 

This seems very silly to me, if Amazon can make The Boys considerably better than the juvenile and grimdark source material and do the same for Fallout, which again, FO3 and FO4, largely juvenile and rather grimdark (even though FO1/2/NV were inarguable less grimdark and arguably less juvenile), then why should we not hope for the same with 40K?

As you noted I dont want to go to much into this, as I've bled far too much of my life into debating 40K, but the difference between 40K and the Boys or whatever, is the same as Baldurs Gate 3 and D&D proper.

The ones that are being sold to kids, will fall under a different lens in a post 2018/2020 world and despite the wheel turning, I really really really dont care to see 40K shift.
 



Only the weird childishness of 3rd edition, where humour (and the Squats!) were excised in the name of making the game Big and Serious for BIG BOYS NOT LITTLE KIDS (whilst marketing hard to 13-year-olds, who are exactly in that mindset) thought this.
I couldn't hear you over the sounds of all the battle noises I'm making while having my Imperial Knights crush those darned, dirty Orks. This is obviously a very series game for very serious adults.

And 3rd edition humourless weirdly childish deal really showed this up so well. It was like going from colour to monochrome. A lot of the lore was just incredibly lame if you had to take it 100% seriously, because it wasn't written by someone who was taking it 100% seriously. It's too ridiculous for that.
I think GW painted themselves into a corner with the 40k setting. All that over-to-top ridiculousness is great when it's just a thin veneer explaining why your little metal men are trying to murder my little metal men. It's hard to take seriously because it's so over-the-top though. Being over-the-top and not taking it seriously is what made the game fun. But with the fiction side of their business become so important to their bottom line, it's tough to sell those Space Marines as a bunch of jerks when you want to make them look good and heroic to sell those books.
 

It's hard to take seriously because it's so over-the-top though. Being over-the-top and not taking it seriously is what made the game fun. But with the fiction side of their business become so important to their bottom line, it's tough to sell those Space Marines as a bunch of jerks when you want to make them look good and heroic to sell those books.

What books are you reading?

I spent ungodly amounts on GW product over the last 25 years. Amounts that I would be embarrassed to disclose to my parents. I have a laugh with my shop owner buddy that if we had applied any kind of intelligent thought, and invested that money and instead of debating 40K we studied the markets...we would be millionaires easily...I mean whats the whole of the HH series going to run a guy?

Anyway. That series I linked? Its a great example of what modern 40K looks like, and...everyone is still nasty to eachother. Marines are not the hero's, and the Imperium for SURE is not the hero of this story.

(Its Chaos)
 

I couldn't hear you over the sounds of all the battle noises I'm making while having my Imperial Knights crush those darned, dirty Orks. This is obviously a very series game for very serious adults.


I think GW painted themselves into a corner with the 40k setting. All that over-to-top ridiculousness is great when it's just a thin veneer explaining why your little metal men are trying to murder my little metal men. It's hard to take seriously because it's so over-the-top though. Being over-the-top and not taking it seriously is what made the game fun. But with the fiction side of their business become so important to their bottom line, it's tough to sell those Space Marines as a bunch of jerks when you want to make them look good and heroic to sell those books.
Adolescents are very prone to taking themselves excessively seriously, but I’m not going to be watching any TV show that portrays the fascist racist Imperium of Man as “heroic”. Fortunately, Amazon have shown with Fallout that they can take both satire and over the top silliness and turn them into a successful TV show.
 

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