Henry Cavill's Warhammer 40K Show Is Happening

Show is officially a go at Amazon.
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Long rumoured, the Henry Cavill fronted Warhammer 40K TV show is apparently officially a go at Amazon.

Amazon acquired the rights 2 years ago to produce a TV show based on Games Workshop's Warhammer 40,000 game. Deadline is reporting, and Cavill himself confirming, that the series is now officially in production.

WH40K is the most popular miniature wargame in the world. Originally published in 1987, it is on its 10th edition. Set in the far future, it mixes fantasy tropes with sci-fi in a grim, dark universe. It has spawned multiple tabletop roleplaying games, such as Dark Heresy, Rogue Trader, and more, the current lineup being publishing by Cubicle 7.

According to the deal made 2 yeasr ago, Amazon had until December 2024 to mutually agree on “creative guidelines for the films and television series to be developed by Amazon”. There is no showrunner yet. The show will also be produced by Vertigo Entertainment.

To celebrate some Warhammer news, I decided to make a pilgrimage to the very first place I bought Warhammer models over 30 years ago....the Little Shop, on my home island of Jersey!

My incredible team and I, alongside the brilliant minds at Games Workshop, have been working away in concept rooms, breaking down approaches to the enormity and magnificence of the Warhammer world. Together, we've been sifting through the plethora of incredible characters and poring over old tomes and texts. Our combined efforts have led us to a fantastic place to start our Universe, which has been agreed upon by those up on high at both Amazon and Games Workshop. That starting place shall, for now, remain a secret. Watch this space, though—more to come in time!
- Henry Cavill​

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Watched the "40K" episode of Secret Level (misleadingly named but to say more would be very mild spoilers), and I have to say, I was... not impressed. It's completely po-faced serious, which kind of makes sense with who they're focusing on (Space Marines), but the vibe just isn't very 40K to me. It's just generic shooty space stuff. The Marines don't behave like Marines particularly - they're supposedly Ultramarines, the most by-the-book Legion, but don't use tactics or care or behave in any kind of sensible way, they just behave like they're Terminators, and not the 40K kind! I won't go into more details because spoilers but pffffft.

Really hope this is just like this because Secret Level is generally feeling a tad incompetent/bland, not because this is in any way "Amazon's vision of 40K". I'm sure GW signed off on it, but they sign off on an awful lot of dubious licencee stuff, so that doesn't mean much.
I really think the Secret Level episode was heavily influenced by Astartes. I wouldn't be surprised if the same creator assisted/created the episode. To me, I thought it was great, though I could have used a bit more exposition at the end. It's a little too dependent on being familiar with the lore, unlike most of the other episodes.
 

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I am excited for this. I don't think Henry was/is the character that a certain subset of WH40K fans want to believe he is with some of their weird ideas. Henry deserves some success as he has yet to actually be successful in a lead in a franchise in spite of multiple attempts to push him, including Superman, outside of Witcher. I believe with the Witcher is was a very disappointing situation for him and when Dwayne Johnson, who thought he was going to get DC studios before Black Adam tanked, offered him Superman he jumped ship. A lot of people thought it was going to happen so it made sense if he was going to be getting a contract that was going to involve intense work for the net few years to drop the TV series. His manager is Dwayne's ex-wife so they must have thought it was inevitable.
 

Watched the "40K" episode of Secret Level (misleadingly named but to say more would be very mild spoilers), and I have to say, I was... not impressed. It's completely po-faced serious, which kind of makes sense with who they're focusing on (Space Marines), but the vibe just isn't very 40K to me. It's just generic shooty space stuff. The Marines don't behave like Marines particularly - they're supposedly Ultramarines, the most by-the-book Legion, but don't use tactics or care or behave in any kind of sensible way, they just behave like they're Terminators, and not the 40K kind! I won't go into more details because spoilers but pffffft.

Really hope this is just like this because Secret Level is generally feeling a tad incompetent/bland, not because this is in any way "Amazon's vision of 40K". I'm sure GW signed off on it, but they sign off on an awful lot of dubious licencee stuff, so that doesn't mean much.

I have not met a 40k player that didn't like it. I'm not sure how you think adeptus astartes marines would be behave when facing
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I believe with the Witcher is was a very disappointing situation for him
In what sense? I've heard a lot of weird evidence-free "theories" (which is naming them generously!) from mostly* alt-right adjacent types or full on "anti-woke" loons which claim he was in conflict with the team on The Witcher show, but literally everything he and everyone he actually worked with on The Witcher has said suggests otherwise, as far as I'm aware. This whole conflict seems to be completely made-up nonsense, multiple layers of what is essentially fanfic.

It seems to me like he left because the show wasn't as successful as he hoped, which, frankly, was predictable, because The Witcher stories are not... very compelling... nor really have the mass appeal of something like LotR or GoT (the games tell the stories better than books do). They actually did a better job presenting the material than I expected, albeit the budget was clearly fairly constrained forcing a lot of chopping down of stuff. Indeed I rather wonder if Netflix suggested cutting the budget further - historically they've been very keen** to do this on S2s and later of shows, even if it makes absolutely no sense to why people watch the show (which may well be in part because it looks beautiful/pro), and perhaps to the point where it potentially impinged on what Cavill was being paid - and he was probably being paid a lot less than he would have been for a movie role taking a similar amount of time/effort. Certainly the actor they replaced him with is er... fairly cheap.

Whereas a DCU Superman film would have likely had him being paid $20m+ (as Variety believes he was for his fairly brief appearance in Justice League).

So I don't think we need to be upset for him about that. It's unfortunate maybe but he clearly made a choice to leave a show that starred him to earn tens of millions in a movie that didn't end up getting made based, according to Variety, on a single verbal agreement which he may not even have directly been party to! What's interesting to me is that at the time he jumped ship, there were already publicly-surfacing rumours that the DCU was about to make "big changes", so actually Hollywood insiders would have known for at least weeks, maybe longer. As such, I was going to say "If I were him, I'd have fired my agent/manager for being incompetent!" but I then checked and that's exactly what he did!

His manager is Dwayne's ex-wife so they must have thought it was inevitable.
Yeah no-one should be listening to the Rock and it got Dany Garcia fired as Cavill's manager. The Rock absolutely is drinking his own Koolaid (hopefully not from the same bottle he admitted to peeing in on set!) when it comes to what's happening in Hollywood, to the point where he got into angry denials about Black Adam's poor box office showing, basically implying people were making it up, before having to admit actually it didn't make as much money as hoped. I feel like he's on a rather unfortunate path - denying reality is never a good start. His whole schtick of being a huge wrestler dude who can kinda act has essentially been taken by Dave Bautista and John Cena, except both of them actually can act and have way more charisma and are younger than him, so I think he's a bit pissed off generally.

Cavill's main issue I think is actually that he can act, but keeps getting put in roles where they don't want him to act much (c.f The Witcher, whose whole deal is he's pretty stony-faced and faux-emotionless), or the director isn't good at eliciting good performances. Like, look at The Man from UNCLE movie - Cavill gave an astonishing performance as Napoleon Solo, absolutely riding the line between impression and inspired with his accent/diction/body-face language and so on. But the director was Guy Ritchie, who has extracted tremendous performances from all sorts of people, not Snyder, where good performances seem to be despite him rather than because of him.

Unfortunately one suspects if he's playing a Space Marine or similar it'll be another case of them not really wanting much acting, just a lot of stoicism and shouting. But who knows?



* = It seems like the original story was entirely made up by a person who disliked Cavill and was trying to make up that he was a bad guy (which he may or may not be, but there isn't any evidence for him being anything worse than a yet another male actor who dates people twenty years+ younger than him, looking at you Leo DiCaprio!), but alt-right people pounced on it to sort of uno-reverse'd the fictional conflict into him being a "true fan" and "hero" fighting for the "real Witcher".

* = For the most insane example compare S1 and S2 of Altered Carbon. Despite getting a possibly more expensive star, S2's overall budget has clearly plunged hugely from the $150m of S1 to the point where it looks like, dare I say it "2000s era Canadian sci-fi"!

I have not met a 40k player that didn't like it. Everybody in my 40k circle liked it.
Sure, but what does that mean? A lot of people are so keen for any kind of 40K representation that they say they think pretty much any high-end 40K CGI is amazing. That's been true for a very long time - countless slightly dodgy fan animations and videogame intro videos have been hailed as "AMAZING" by 40K fans even when they were pretty crummy. The bit with the daemon was good, but the rest was meh.
 



You summed up the exact sense. Creatively unfulfilling.
"Creatively unfulfilling" sounds like a Hollywood euphemism for "They didn't pay me enough relative to how much fun I was having", but yeah.

I do think firing his manager is probably a very sensible decision, honestly. She hadn't got him any particularly great gigs, and really he should be linking up with directors who want more out of him like Ritchie did, not just to be a jawline and some muscles, which is all Snyder and to a lesser extent The Witcher wanted from him, and all a new Superman movie would have wanted from him, frankly.

I just hope whatever Amazon is doing they don't have him as a Marine/Custodes, despite him having "the look".

I am kind of fascinated to know what angle they'll take on 40K that will actually get people watching it. As much as 40K was inspired by a lot of other SF that has proven successful in TV/movies, it's also more weird and more of a boy's club than any of that.
 

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In what sense? I've heard a lot of weird evidence-free "theories" (which is naming them generously!) from mostly* alt-right adjacent types or full on "anti-woke" loons which claim he was in conflict with the team on The Witcher show, but literally everything he and everyone he actually worked with on The Witcher has said suggests otherwise, as far as I'm aware. This whole conflict seems to be completely made-up nonsense, multiple layers of what is essentially fanfic.
* = It seems like the original story was entirely made up by a person who disliked Cavill and was trying to make up that he was a bad guy (which he may or may not be, but there isn't any evidence for him being anything worse than a yet another male actor who dates people twenty years+ younger than him, looking at you Leo DiCaprio!), but alt-right people pounced on it to sort of uno-reverse'd the fictional conflict into him being a "true fan" and "hero" fighting for the "real Witcher".
Both Cavill and Snyder have attracted bizarre followings of alt-right /'anti-woke' nerdom fans that seem to think they will be their saviors, represent them, or somehow prove something in their favor. Snyder enjoyed Ayn Rand a bit much and missed the anti-objectivist points of Moore's Watchmen, and Cavill... uh, is a square-jawed hetero-white guy; and that's about it for the justification.
Cavill's main issue I think is actually that he can act, but keeps getting put in roles where they don't want him to act much (c.f The Witcher, whose whole deal is he's pretty stony-faced and faux-emotionless), or the director isn't good at eliciting good performances. Like, look at The Man from UNCLE movie - Cavill gave an astonishing performance as Napoleon Solo, absolutely riding the line between impression and inspired with his accent/diction/body-face language and so on. But the director was Guy Ritchie, who has extracted tremendous performances from all sorts of people, not Snyder, where good performances seem to be despite him rather than because of him.
Unfortunately one suspects if he's playing a Space Marine or similar it'll be another case of them not really wanting much acting, just a lot of stoicism and shouting. But who knows?
I just hope whatever Amazon is doing they don't have him as a Marine/Custodes, despite him having "the look".
I think it could work if he's a nuanced marine of some kind. One that would rather be a farmer but this is his life, or one conflicted about what they are doing, or maybe just sees the cracks in the foundation of the empire he loves, something like that. From Saving Private Ryan to Band of Brothers to heck the greatest film ever made, there have been amazing acting performances as soldiers -- but it's almost always 'a soldier who ______' and that _____ always opens the door to what kind of performance it is.
I am kind of fascinated to know what angle they'll take on 40K that will actually get people watching it. As much as 40K was inspired by a lot of other SF that has proven successful in TV/movies, it's also more weird and more of a boy's club than any of that.
Even though WH40K isn't my particularly IP of interest, I'm super-curious about this simply because I want to know what strategy they take. Is it going to be a new story in the backdrop of the established setting, or trying to do a greatest hits of the existing fandom's favorite moments in history? Are they going to have a primary faction to focus on or try to jump about GoT-style? Much like the D&D movies, while there are existing stories to use, there's so much more to the property to explore (and likely many things more accessible to people new to the IP). What they decide to do is likely as interesting to me as the actual product will be.

I think the boys club, in universe, could pretty easily just be ignored ('All the major factions are smart enough not to refuse half of all potential recruits.'). The fandom, yeah, if my FLGSs are any indication it hasn't had the same non-male influx that comics and TTRPGs and so on have gotten since I was young.
 
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From an island that was occupied by nazis for four years.
And has made statements in support of GLBT rights. And is a Swifty. And a rudimentary functional adult*. My point wasn't all the ways it doesn't makes sense, just how limited it is that it would make sense. Mostly it seems that he is what they want to be -- as conventionally attractive as** DiCaprio, Cruise or Pitt but also as buff as Schwarzenegger or Cena, and then also a gamer nerd and so somehow still them -- and then a heterosexual white male who gets to be the leading man. That's it, as far as I can tell. He hasn't done anything that would make them think he's one of them (and plenty to suggest otherwise). They've just latched onto him based on some notion of what he represents.
*I do not know enough about the dating-young proclivities issue to comment on it.
**using iconic U.S. celebrities. To my knowledge, being fans of none of these say anything in a culture-war sense.
 

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