Captain America: Brave New World - Official Trailer (2025)

[Smackpixi]

Whoops

 

[Stalker0]

The issue is that Sam Wilson has no character arc in this movie.

He doesn't face anything that changes him and makes him able to reach Ross in the climax. The win is unearned. Like, literally anyone could have said, "Think of your daughter."

I'm not sure what the movie should have done instead, but it needed Sam to change somehow so he has to be the one to talk Ross down.

I agree with the lack of character arc, or at least a retread. We’ve already seen the same “can I really hold up the mantle of Steve Roger” in FaWS, and so it’s kind of the same here.

That said, I don’t agree witb your note about his interaction with Ross. The point of is that while everyone else is trying to stop “a hulk”, Sam is trying to “reach the man”…which is what cap is about

 

[Stalker0]

Having watched it, I think it’s an average marvel movie. It’s more of a self contained jaunt, had decent action, decent acting, decent ish plot, normal silly completely forgettable villain. Taken as just a popcorn movie it was fine.

There wasn’t anything significantly wrong with it to me, but didn’t push the boundary either.

 

[Stalker0]

There's an awful lot of hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars being aggressively spent on mediocrity.

I do think this is a fair point. While I just said in a previous post that the new movie was a fine popcorn flick, on the other hand it’s completely unneeded as well. The momtenum of marvel is gone, there’s nothing left i really need to see.

Could those high budgets start shifting into other worthier projects? I think so

 

[Reynard]

Oh, this is a spoiler thread now.

Fantastic.

 

[Umbran]

Mod note:
Folks

This thread is nominally about the trailer, and you are putting movie spoilers in. Please have a bit more consideration than that.

 

[chuckdee]

But that wasn’t the case with the MCU up through Infinity War, which is remarkable. Though I agree that it is now just another franchise.

That's just rose-colored glasses. The MCU had several missteps before Infinity War. It's just a more convenient narrative to support the fact that "The MCU is dead" now to overlook those. There was also more than a bit of clemency given to the movies in their critical scores and that has worn off.

 

[Thomas Shey]

Sam did have an arc in this movie, which was one of the reasons Bucky showed up and it was shown in his talk with Torres at the end. He had the same doubt that many have about him, i.e. he should have taken the serum. And I'd argue that he didn't need anything to change, as that was the point- he had everything he needed within him. Not his shield, not the serum, not his wings. It's who he is, and who he's been portrayed to be.

I agree with the first part of this, but the truth is he does need the gear to do what he's doing; for better or worse, if you're going to be challenging superhumans, some kind of edge is needed. Even Nat and Clint aren't trying to do it with their skills and conventional gear.

But that's the point: anyone can use gear. It doesn't need a superhuman to do that. Rodey isn't a superhuman, Nat wasn't, Clint isn't, and Sam doesn't need to be; he needs to have the personal tools he has, and the external tools he can get.

 

[Thomas Shey]

Sam’s going to love the Thunderbolts. “Serum, serum, serum, Widow, dimensional phasing, skill duplication. (Looks directly at Bucky) You’re so full of sh*t.”

I'm not sold Sam is any worse trained than a Widow. The particular background training he has is an elite, even it doesn't tend to stand out in the superhuman world, and he's had years of experience dealing with both conventional military and superhumans.

 

[jian]

I'm not sold Sam is any worse trained than a Widow. The particular background training he has is an elite, even it doesn't tend to stand out in the superhuman world, and he's had years of experience dealing with both conventional military and superhumans.

We don’t really know what the Widow process involves - it takes (kidnaps?) girls from a young age from a wide variety of backgrounds and moulds them into obedient efficient assassins. How does that moulding occur and does it involve more than real-world indoctrination and terrorist training?

One indicator is that the Red Room also produced someone who was neurologically and cybernetically enhanced to copy combat skills from exceptional individuals, including superhumans. Presumably that technology didn’t come out of nowhere, and clearly the Red Room is already expert at neurological manipulation to control the minds of its graduates. Thus, I’d argue that it’s likely that the Widow process involves some degree of neurological enhancement - faster reflexes, pain suppression, that sort of thing - that makes its recipients borderline superhuman.