just like those demigods are fighters
D&D 5E Casters vs Martials: Part 1 - Magic, its most basic components
yup myths of magic men don't have them daily or even weekly throwing spells that take out an army.
taken from: Was Gandalf Just A 5th Level Magic User? 2016 thhread by Morris
This article from Dragon Magazine, back in 1977, is likely very familiar to many of you (feel free to yawn - this item isn't for you!) However, there are many newer fans of D&D who don't even remember Dragon Magazine, let alone issues from nearly 40 years ago. In the article, Bill Seligman posits that Gandalf was merely a 5th level magic-user. Given Cubicle 7's recent announcement about an official Middle Earth setting for D&D, it seems like a nostalgia piece worth revisiting.
Some folks I hear discussing this topic these days take the position that Gandalf is actually a paladin. Certainly "wizards" in Tolkien's works aren't the same magic-missile-throwing folks as in regular D&D; in fact there are only five wizards in the whole of Middle Earth - and at least one of them (the 7th Doctor) is very clearly a druid.
What do you think? Is Gandalf a 5th level magic-user? What about in 5th Edition, given the upcoming Middle Earth release? I'm sure Cubicle 7 will tells for certain this summer, but until then...
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gandalf's race/species was a maiar. Whatever level he was that's like saying eleminster was an overgod by birth. Neither is a good comparison for things players play
DND_Reborn
The High Aldwin
Fighter and Ranger. But what one considers "superheroic" is a matter of opinion. For me (focusing on "non-magical features"):
Barbarian: Indomitable Might, Primal Champion
Fighter: ---
Monk: Timeless Body
Paladin: Divine Health
Ranger: --- (maybe Vanish... but it is a stretch IMO)
Rogue: Reliable Talent, Stroke of Luck
Asisreo
Patron Badass
The PC's usually don't even get close to that fantasy. Why? Because they all involve soft magic systems. Those character can do whatever the plot says they can, but the players actually must work through the restrictions of the casting system.
In fact, the system isn't designed for those types of fantasy either. The system tries to accommodate a little for characters of similar magnitude, but you'll never have an exact Gandalf or Harry Potter character in D&D without homebrew.
It's a dungeon-crawler. Dungeon-crawling Wizards have more access to more spells because when they run out, they're practically useless.
It feels like the expectation is that D&D 5e is meant to emulate Tolkien or Myths, but they're not.
DND_Reborn
The High Aldwin
Right, but then their origin makes them non-mundane, not their class.
Garthanos
Arcadian Knight
Should have but do the martial types though?
Insert the Martial Type Thor here for proper meme.
DND_Reborn
The High Aldwin
Sure, I've already agreed I think casters have too much magic that can affect too many aspects of the adventure.
DO you play 5e? they never run out. They have cantrips that scale with level now. (even then past level 5 they will rarly run out)
