Micah Sweet
Level Up & OSR Enthusiast
Ok. What happens in your view when the DM and players disagree about the inclusion of a game element?
D&D (2024) Do you plan to adopt D&D5.5One2024Redux?
The game dies?
TwoSix
Dirty, realism-hating munchkin powergamer
They compromise, although the default approach should be acceptance, not rejection.
No one should feel so strongly over a game element that they bail on a game or force someone out of the group over it. It simply doesn’t matter that much.
FrogReaver
As long as i get to be the frog
Then apply that to the player?
Don’t reject but accept what the DMs decides.
Don’t feel so strongly that you the player leave the game over a game element. It really doesn’t matter much.
The principles you cite here are ultimately double edged swords for your point I think.
Weird... there was no "discussion" whatsoever when you started this in 506 by trying to claim that cross edition unless should be allowed cross edition stuff at their table by default because "it's entirely on the DM to present a rationale why they're excluding either book". Funny how you jump to using the social contract as a club when it is suggested that the GM should be free to simply decide something without being maligned as "authoritarian"
You miss the reference. Franklin once said that democracy is two wolves & a lamb voting on what to have for lunch, the scenario described 697 that continuesbuilding off the high bar of expectations you've been trying topush as thre gold standard default embodies that very quote to a T.
This is a bizarre 5e'ism, no not really. It's on player-Bob to admit "this is not the game for me" and find a different table rather than playing along trying to force the issue or being prickly over it through the campaign. It's weird how the GM has been simultaneously demoted to a position lacking in authority to set the terms while being expected to mediate any disparate (un)reasonable player expectations or be the one responsible for killing the game.
TwoSix
Dirty, realism-hating munchkin powergamer
I really don’t think you actually understand my point.
It’s obviously impossible to compromise on a “include/don’t include” binary. That’s why the best position is to simply not care either way. That’s why the “who cares” position is to simply include whatever people want to use, because rejection requires a certain level of curation and concern.
Now, obviously, you have to care that at least the game is somewhat functional. You shouldn’t allow (or propose) some monstrosity that can do 5 attacks at level 1 and has full spellcasting. But the difference between a 2014 option and a 2024 option is barely noticeable.
TwoSix
Dirty, realism-hating munchkin powergamer
“By default” does not imply “without discussion”. If there’s a certain campaign idea that requires some higher level of consistency, then a table can adopt that.
And I will point out that you invented the “authoritarian” designation, not me.
I don’t apologize for my belief that the DM should be, at best, a first among equals.
That might make sense if the DM player relationship was adversarial, not cooperative. I work under the assumption that everyone gets along, because if they don’t, I’m not in that group.
So much game tension can be alleviated by simply not playing with jerks and also not being a jerk.
Scott Christian
Hero
I am not tip-toeing around anything. The thread asked if you will adopt the new edition. I said yes, and then expanded the discussion by stating that most will adopt - even if they think they won't. And the reasons for that are...
this. Thank you for proving my point. The DM really is the sheep. If everyone gets along, it is still the majority rule. And in a game like D&D, the players almost always outnumber the DM.And for the record, my response to the authoritarian table was a reply to someone saying they're the DM, and then saying, they won't allow the new material. That is why I said, for most DMs, it is not an authoritarian table. They are not the sole deciders.
Micah Sweet
Level Up & OSR Enthusiast
So no one should get what they want out of a game unless everyone else wants that same thing? What if people want mutually exclusive things? Sometimes a decision has to be made.
hedgeknight
Explorer
Late to the vote, but NO. In fact, I'm going backwards by returning to 1st and 2nd edition AD&D.
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