D&D 4E 4e and anime


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The problem here, my fellow cinematic-shonen-anime fans (well, I'm not such a great fan myself but I see your point) is that most people whining here don't even know what they're taking about. Anime does fall behind in drawing quality, but has many good ideas. The ones indicated by the OP are some of them. Anyone played Final Fantasy or Tales of Phantasia? Fighters there are really, really cool. (at least in SNES and PS1... don't know much about PS2)
 
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AllisterH said:
I think for many people, below is the proper power level for a 15th-20th level fighter

Samurai Champloo Finale Fight

whereas personally, I believe the following better represent a 15th level fighter

Juvei-Chan Sword Fight

Well, I wouldn't make fighters so nimble. maybe some other class.

I tried to watch teh first video but it had that awful song, then I tried to find another version but each one had a song that doesn't let you here the opriginal sound... a swordfight is not a sowrdfight without the sound of steel!

The second video was awesome but seing the other guys watching making stupid faces was such a turn off.
 

If by "anime elements," you mean per encounter or per day abilities that actually make sword-swinging more interesting, then yes, I think D&D could use more of this. The classes in Bo9S actually make warriors in light or medium armor that move quickly about the battlefield viable characters, as opposed to every fighter having to be in big heavy armor and wielding as big a weapon as possible.

Here, again, is choice. In 3E, if I want to make a lightly armored fighter with a rapier or other light weapon, I'm not helping the party unless there is a "tank" as well, and that may mean not having another core character in the group. I'm going to get hit a lot, need more healing, not do much damage, and ultimately not protect the "weaker" party members. Now, with Bo9S, the powers that my swordsage or warblade wields can do a lot of damage with pretty much any weapon I choose to use, as well as make my AC high enough to be viable (and this is in light or medium armor). Or, play a crusader with Devoted Spirit or White Raven schools: you can heal yourself and your party as well as give them other benefits in battle.

In short: you can make any melee character you want, and they can DO SOMETHING other than swing a sword and do damage. This makes them much more interesting and useful. If 4E brings this to all classes (which it sounds like it does, and it really wouldn't take much to apply Bo9S schools to core classes), then bring on 4E!
 

AllisterH said:
I think for many people, below is the proper power level for a 15th-20th level fighter

Samurai Champloo Finale Fight

whereas personally, I believe the following better represent a 15th level fighter

Juvei-Chan Sword Fight
On a purely powerlevel basis agree with you the second is better. But the wearing no armor and bouncing around the battlefield like a mechanized ping-pong of death should be one particular path (or talent tree) as opposed to another which grants the ability to simply move well but not exceptionally and absorb damage like a main battle tank while doing insane damage and crushing inanimate objects as if they were cardboard.
 

HeavenShallBurn said:
From what I've heard Avatar was based on an dragon-blooded only Exalted campaign of the creators written up for production. Then altered to be more target audience appropriate, like changing ages and such.
It's a good example of cross-pollination between RPGs and anime, then. Hopefully, 4e will be another, but going from anime to RPGs instead. :p
 

Mallus said:
You mean classic fantasy authors like Tolkien, Howard, and Moorcock?
And Homer, Malory, and the authors who wrote the legends of Charlemagne, Beowulf, etc.

Mallus said:
Because the third's most popular work is a direct parody of the second's most popular work, which bears little to no resemblance to first's most popular work, except for the preponderance of people running around with swords.

This 'generic traditional Western fantasy' I keep hearing about looks to me like a Frankenstein's monster of nearly incompatible genre influences, bound together originally by the vagaries of book publishing/marketing more than any real stylistic or thematic similarities.

Sure is. And it's still better than what WOTC is now trying to sell us! A mish-mosh made of gold is still made of gold. An intricate sculpture of crap is always made of crap.
 
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Clavis said:
And Homer, Malory, and the authors who wrote the legends of Charlemagne, Beowulf, etc.
The heavy-hitters of the Western canon have had little influence in the D&D campaigns I've witnessed. Ditto for the game materials I've read. If there's a Homer that's relevant to the game as I've played it, it's Simpson, not the author of the Iliad.

edit: wait, I named an NPC in my current game Charlemagne Alu, mainly because I though the players would get a kick out of someone named "Charles the Great Potato" --he was from a city were everyone had French-Hindi names.

And it's still better than what WOTC is now trying to sell us!
Let's just say I politely disagree.

A mish-mosh made of gold is still made of gold.
I don't consider the earlier iteration to be 'made of gold'. More like "an eclectic mixture of gold, fool's gold, and silly crap". Which, by the way is part of it's enduring charm.

The spirit of D&D isn't some kind of celebration of Western Civ, it's Gygax's crazy eclecticism. As far as I'm concerned, it's very hard to find things that don't fit into D&D, and in doing so, you're going against the spirit of the game.

An intricate sculpture of crap is always made of crap.
Not a fan of contemporary art, are you?
 
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HeavenShallBurn said:
From what I've heard Avatar was based on an dragon-blooded only Exalted campaign of the creators written up for production. Then altered to be more target audience appropriate, like changing ages and such.
I'd believe it; that point-towards-enemy yak looks like something Exalted would have. Besides the other obvious similarities.

And I'm fairly sure Elric is intended under the 'satirical interpretation' clause of polar opposite.

Mallus said:
If there's a Homer that relevant to the game as I've played it, it's Simpson, not the author of the Iliad.
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