Batman Begins: Ra's al Ghul (Major Spoilers)

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

P.S. I also like the fact that they slipped several other future characters from the Bat-verse in there. Barbara Gordon was listed in the credits and she was only on screen long enough to be handed off to mommy before Gordon steps outside to end up talkling to Batman.

I liked that as well (although, confusingly, in comics the Barbara who's his daughter is not the Barbara Gordon who becomes Batgirl -- it's very clunky, and apparently due to some editorial mandates about having Jim be a bachelor at that moment, for some unknown reason). I got giddy when Jim's partner was Flaas and when Szasz came out of his cell, his body visibly covered in marks for all the people he'd killed.

 

[jonesy]

IIRC the original (comic) Ra's Al Ghul was also a close friend and mentor to Batman, and Batman was shocked to learn who his enemy was.

Ra’s al Ghul first showed up in Batman#232, where he straight up tells Batman that he knows he is Bruce Wayne. He then lures Batman onto a mission to rescue his daughter, which is a ruse to find out how capable Batman really is (and to get him to marry Talia). And then Ra’s al Ghul reveals his mission in life.

 

[fba827]

I got giddy when Jim's partner was Flaas and when Szasz came out of his cell, his body visibly covered in marks for all the people he'd killed.

I didn't catch those references - who are those names? Guess I don't keep up with the Batman lore much... do they have other "villian names" that I might recognize?

Edit: But, back on topic - yeah, I also believe that Liam was Ra's all along.

 

[Bront]

I had a feeling that Liam was Ra's when I read that Ra's was in the movie cast as someone else. And I haven't even seen the movie yet.

 

[Umbran]

I do like the fact that by saving Ras, Bruce caused the problem at the end in Gotham. Had he let him die, none of that would have come to pass.

Ra's mentions that they'd been working on Gotham since the time of Bruce's father. The Shadows were going to come for the city in one way or another. Helping Ra's to live only fails to delay the inevitable conflict, rather than cause it.

Remember - it is the bad men who cause bad things. Bruce didn't cause his father's death. Nor did Bruce cause Ra's to attack Gotham. Failing to stop what you don't know will happen does nto constitute causing that thing to happen.

 

[DonTadow]

I liked that as well (although, confusingly, in comics the Barbara who's his daughter is not the Barbara Gordon who becomes Batgirl -- it's very clunky, and apparently due to some editorial mandates about having Jim be a bachelor at that moment, for some unknown reason). I got giddy when Jim's partner was Flaas and when Szasz came out of his cell, his body visibly covered in marks for all the people he'd killed.

It was a big mark out moment when I saw the scores on Szasz and immediately turned to my girlfriend whom, also a geek, told me to shut up she knows.

 

[ddvmor]

The twist came as a complete blinder to me, knowing the two characters from the comics. I never expected it all.

Would have been nice to see Zsasz being used a bit more than just as scenery.

 

[DonTadow]

The twist came as a complete blinder to me, knowing the two characters from the comics. I never expected it all.

Would have been nice to see Zsasz being used a bit more than just as scenery.

I think Zsasz was there to make us fanboys go crazy. HOnestly I don't think they can properly do a pg-13 Zsasz, at least not on screen. Any attempt would water down the character or make him R rated.

 

[Berandor]

But Bale wants the sequel to be R.

 

[RangerWickett]

Who's Szasz?