Batman Begins: Ra's al Ghul (Major Spoilers)

[DonTadow]

Diluting? How is focusing more on the core material diluting anything? I don't get that one.

Diluting in the fact that you are producing a watered down version of the world, thus changing the world. Pretending batman is the first person to put on tights and fight crime creates a different world than that of the comics. Some movies turn out to be great movies but many fail at true adaptations by changing one of the important things about the story, the setting.

 

[KaosDevice]

Diluting in the fact that you are producing a watered down version of the world, thus changing the world. Pretending batman is the first person to put on tights and fight crime creates a different world than that of the comics. Some movies turn out to be great movies but many fail at true adaptations by changing one of the important things about the story, the setting.

Uh, got to disagree with this one. When Bats was originally designed by Bob Kane I think the existence of any other superheroes in the 'Gotham Universe' was probably the last thing on his mind. I don't think any of these superhero flicks assume that the main character is the only one to suit up, but they do tend to be pretty stand alone. Look at just about any superhero origin story really. The are pretty solitary endeavours.

I would say a setting with anyone wanting to put on spandex and fight crime in groups or solo pretty much fits the setting.

 

[AFGNCAAP]

Well, with the Ra's revelation mentioned beforehand, here's an interesting question:

Does this mean that, feasibly, Watanabe's character is/was Ubu?

 

[Klaus]

That was my guess since before the movie was released.

 

[Pants]

Diluting in the fact that you are producing a watered down version of the world, thus changing the world. Pretending batman is the first person to put on tights and fight crime creates a different world than that of the comics. Some movies turn out to be great movies but many fail at true adaptations by changing one of the important things about the story, the setting.

Considering that the setting in the comics is a sea of inconsistencies and rewrites, I don't consider that a bad thing at all...

 

[Klaus]

Pretending batman is the first person to put on tights and fight crime creates a different world than that of the comics.

In the Animated DC Universe, Batman is the first. In the first episodes of Superman: tAS, Martha Kent tells Clark she doesn't want him using a mask, or people would think he was like that horrible Gotham character.

BTW, the Barbara Gordon character isn't Batgirl/Oracle. It's James Gordon's wife (the Batgirl/Oracle Barbara Gordon is Gordon's niece/adopted daughter).

Gordon's only child is his son, named (iirc) John. In comics continuity, Gordon divorces from Barbara by the time he makes comissioner, and she moves back to Chicago with his son. Gordon then acts on his affair with fellow cop Sarah Essen (later Sarah Essen-Gordon). Sarah gets killed by the Joker at the ending of No Man's Land.

 

[DonTadow]

In the Animated DC Universe, Batman is the first. In the first episodes of Superman: tAS, Martha Kent tells Clark she doesn't want him using a mask, or people would think he was like that horrible Gotham character.

BTW, the Barbara Gordon character isn't Batgirl/Oracle. It's James Gordon's wife (the Batgirl/Oracle Barbara Gordon is Gordon's niece/adopted daughter).

Gordon's only child is his son, named (iirc) John. In comics continuity, Gordon divorces from Barbara by the time he makes comissioner, and she moves back to Chicago with his son. Gordon then acts on his affair with fellow cop Sarah Essen (later Sarah Essen-Gordon). Sarah gets killed by the Joker at the ending of No Man's Land.

Actually he's not the first, he just comes before Superman. But the animated series acknowledges the universe.

 

[Viking Bastard]

In the TAS universe, Bats *is* the first.

In Post-Crisis DCU continuity he's right after Supes of the Silver Agers.

EDIT: Ah, whoops. Misread your post.

 

[Klaus]

Actually he's not the first, he just comes before Superman. But the animated series acknowledges the universe.

Yeah, I forgot the Grey Ghost.

Anyone remember any other?

 

[Dakkareth]

Mmhh, did anyone else immediately think of Planescape's Rilmani, when Ras explained about the full scope of the League of Shadows' activities? Working behind the scenes for thousands of years, bringing down civilizations in the name of balance ...