BattleStar Galactica:Season 3.0--11/10/06--Arc 6

Storm Raven, not to harp on the obvious, but Cylons don't exist, which is kinda why whatever opinion you have of them is utterly meaningless with regard to your "moral compass". Or, rather, they exist in as much as they're part of a fictional work and should be treated as such.

If you look at drama from an entirely 'inside' perspective, within the context of the story, you tend to miss things, like the intended meaning. At some point you have to step 'outside', and treat the characters as metaphors, exaggerations, allegories, stand-ins for real world moral actors, etc. Sometimes you need to suspend the suspension of disbelief and adopt a more utilitarian point of view. Ask 'what purpose does this serve?'.

Otherwise you get into silly debates about how recklessly evil that hard-boiled cop was during that car chase at rush hour , or how inexcusable it was for Luke to forgive Darth since he incinerated Alderaan.

Back to BSG... I think its pretty clear the Cylons are supposed to be us. They live, have faith, love, fear, commit atrocities. Eminently human traits. You can even marry them (note that in the show, none of pilots have married their Vipers), which demonstrates that some of the Colonials have accepted the Cylons as people, admittedly a kind of second-rate slur-worthy foreigner. Its almost a joke, the Cylons are the Other that's indistinguishable from us.
 

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Storm Raven said:
And yet, yours apparently includes "learning to live in peace with them", and excusing their planned murder of billions.
Yes, correct.

I don't see what you're not getting here. I'm all about forgiveness, you're all about revenge. We have completely opposing viewpoints. Why do you keep trying to dissect it?
 






Being sentient and then arranging the unprovoked murder of tens of billions of humans pretty much eliminates your moral right to exist.
However, the show has shown NO evidence that EVERY SINGLE LAST CYLON personally participated in, agreed to, and/or acquiesed in those unprovoked murders. In fact, the show has strongly suggested the oppossite -- that there are factions among the Cylons and that some have different ideas about how to interact with humanity and that some Cylons (certainly after the attack on humnaity and, again, strongly suggesting that perhaps even before the attack on humanity) did NOT agree with the unprovoked murders.

To make a real-world parrallel your position is like saying that Nazis perpetrarted the Holocaust, they desrerve to die for it, therefore ALL GERMANS who lived in Germany during the 1930s-1940s deserve to die for the crimes of the Nazis. I can make the first leap, but I can't make the second. And, the show has strongly suggested that there are Cylons who did NOT agree to or participate in "the crimes of the Nazis."
 

wilrich said:
To make a real-world parrallel your position is like saying that Nazis perpetrarted the Holocaust, they desrerve to die for it, therefore ALL GERMANS who lived in Germany during the 1930s-1940s deserve to die for the crimes of the Nazis. I can make the first leap, but I can't make the second. And, the show has strongly suggested that there are Cylons who did NOT agree to or participate in "the crimes of the Nazis."

Novel idea -- it might explain why the other five models of Cylons are never talked about.

Or, it's proof that no internet thread goes more than four pages without mentioning Nazis -- I'm not sure which. ;)
 

wilrich said:
Being sentient and then arranging the unprovoked murder of tens of billions of humans pretty much eliminates your moral right to exist.
However, the show has shown NO evidence that EVERY SINGLE LAST CYLON personally participated in, agreed to, and/or acquiesed in those unprovoked murders. In fact, the show has strongly suggested the oppossite -- that there are factions among the Cylons and that some have different ideas about how to interact with humanity and that some Cylons (certainly after the attack on humnaity and, again, strongly suggesting that perhaps even before the attack on humanity) did NOT agree with the unprovoked murders.

To make a real-world parrallel your position is like saying that Nazis perpetrarted the Holocaust, they desrerve to die for it, therefore ALL GERMANS who lived in Germany during the 1930s-1940s deserve to die for the crimes of the Nazis. I can make the first leap, but I can't make the second. And, the show has strongly suggested that there are Cylons who did NOT agree to or participate in "the crimes of the Nazis."


Mr. Godwin, call your office.
 

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