Rystil Arden said:It isn't going to break the game, but it is not-sensical. It's like making a new attack spell that is exactly the same as Fireball but has the [Compulsion] descriptor.
I'm obviously missing something then.
Have you played games against SR opponents where the PCs used these spells? They are extremely overpowered. Taking away something from them is the only way they should ever remain. Eliminating them altogether is fine too.
Yep... *shrugs* I don't notice any huge problem with them, but add SR if people agree, just saying you won't get my vote on that one.
I did the math--eventually enemies get a +20 bonus to AC that doesn't apply to touch ACs. In fact, they start getting much much more than that. Look at the Great Wyrm Gold Dragon. It's like Fireball and Cone of Cold--Cone of Cold is not noticably better until you hit level 11. Plus, don't forget that it stacks with True Strike.
Yep, cause we're waiting to see a CR 27 dragon in our Living Eberron game go up against our horde of 1st level PC's Yes, eventually enemies do get +20 bonuses to AC that doesn't apply to touch attacks, however, it is quite a ways away, and the spell is 2nd level compared to 1st (true strike). However, like many spells it has varying degrees of usefulness depending upon situation, it provides very little bonus unless you're fighting opponents who have very high normal AC's and very low touch AC's, good job for memorizing a useful spell. A 2nd level spell that lets your next single melee attack be a touch attack isn't going to cause many problems, even if it is a swift action to cast the spell, go ahead, let the wizard 3 waste his 1 or 2 2nd level spells on wraithstrike so he can hit you for a whopping 1d6 quarterstaff damage with a touch attack, I'll take the 4d6 scorching ray thank you.
Not because they'll use it at 1st level, necessarily, but because they can use it quickly compared to the Incantatrix and friends. The real trouble starts at 9+. The Incantatrix has to pay a heavier prereq price for the PrC and then wait until much higher level. Admittedly, it isn't uber-broken if you add the limit--it won't turn your game into a bizarro parade of the Cleric stomping everything in sight, but it is still too powerful compared to the PrC ability--you may wind up with more uses than the Incantatrix, even.
I think we'll just leave this one to disagreement.