Converting Epic Level Beings

[Clifford]

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Hmm i dont think this guy is turning out to be verry epic i mean as some people have stated he lack the spell like abilities of a baylor so i think wh should throw him a bone of some fast heal which i believe that a baylor has maybe Fast heal 5
as it is he is Not looking verry tough. besids the better stats a baylor could probably still take it out, thus poor demogorgon will loose his gold studded nipple clamp collection to a wily Baylor in service of Grazzt turning the course of that conflict away from demogogorgon whom will promptly give up his moral shattered due to the loss of his Collection.

Cliff

 

[BOZ]

LOL

balors don't have fast healing, but i'd be willing to consider giving it to kerzit.

 

[Shade]

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Hmm i dont think this guy is turning out to be verry epic i mean as some people have stated he lack the spell like abilities of a baylor so i think wh should throw him a bone of some fast heal which i believe that a baylor has maybe Fast heal 5
as it is he is Not looking verry tough. besids the better stats a baylor could probably still take it out, thus poor demogorgon will loose his gold studded nipple clamp collection to a wily Baylor in service of Grazzt turning the course of that conflict away from demogogorgon whom will promptly give up his moral shattered due to the loss of his Collection.

Cliff

It is tough to compare power levels in a one-on-one fight at epic levels. A fully advanced balor (60 HD, CR 40) could probably take out Demogorgon in a one-on-one fight. However, politics and alliances come into play.

I wouldn't want to be the balor who stole from Demogorgon.

Fast healing wouldn't hurt anything, but doesn't really seem necessary either.

 

[BOZ]

i'll leave fast healing open to debate for the moment.

 

[Shade]

Edited due to being incorrect.

 

[Clifford]

All i am saying is he is a unique demon and that he should have a fast heal like most of the lords Maybe not that high but definatly some.

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Ok but i am not talking about a fully advanced baylor i am talking about a standard Wussy (?) Baylor. ALl i am saying is any couple ok demons could easily take this guy out i doubt this guy will be mixed up in any political power structures he is there to guard and suck up hits in the defence of the aformentioned cherrished nipple clamps, not to shroud The abyss in intrigue thus i think some fast heal would be apropriate like maybe 1 to 5 or something.

Cliff

 

[BOZ]

Skills: (351 pts) Bluff +30, Climb +32, Concentration +32, Diplomacy +28, Hide +25, Intimidate +31, Jump +32, Knowledge (arcana) +31, Knowledge (history) +25, Knowledge (the planes) +27, Listen +31, Search +25, Sense Motive +27, Spellcraft +25 (+27 scrolls), Spot +31, Survival +27 (+29 on other planes, +29 following tracks), Use Magic Device +26 (+28 scrolls)


For feats, I will use Alertness, Cleave, Combat Reflexes, Improved Critical (tentacles), Improved Initiative, Power Attack, Multiattack, Track (B) [Suggested feats from the Book of Vile Darkness: Dark Speech, Vile Natural Attack]

I’d keep the epic feats as shade suggested - Dire Charge, Epic Toughness or Overwhelming Critical (bite) – except that I’m not sure we’ll need the overwhelming critical on the bite. We’ve established that Kerzit hits automatically on a grapple check, and it’s not likely that he’ll forego his other attacks just to make a melee bite attack.

 

[BOZ]

there's no such thing as a wussy balor. heheh

that said, yes a balor might have a good shot at taking out Kerzit (although he has about 100 hit points over what a balor has). but look at the CR - only 2 points higher!

but consider this. it's not his purpose to take out balors! his purpose is to guard a specific item or area. now sure, a balor might come looking for him then, but Kerzit is not defenseless. he can summon other demons who will at least distract the balor, plus he has a higher SR and generally better defenses. and let's say that's not enough - all he has to do is put in a call with the demon lord he is serving faithfully, and said lord will come deal with the balor personally.

that said, fast healing 5 couldn't hurt. he probably wouldn't need it against the likes of adventurers, but it might be just the edge he'd need against mr. angry balor JUST in case.

 

[Shade]

Skills: (351 pts) Bluff +30, Climb +32, Concentration +32, Diplomacy +28, Hide +25, Intimidate +31, Jump +32, Knowledge (arcana) +31, Knowledge (history) +25, Knowledge (the planes) +27, Listen +31, Search +25, Sense Motive +27, Spellcraft +25 (+27 scrolls), Spot +31, Survival +27 (+29 on other planes, +29 following tracks), Use Magic Device +26 (+28 scrolls)

Well done!

For feats, I will use Alertness, Cleave, Combat Reflexes, Improved Critical (tentacles), Improved Initiative, Power Attack, Multiattack, Track (B) [Suggested feats from the Book of Vile Darkness: Dark Speech, Vile Natural Attack]

Sounds good.

I’d keep the epic feats as shade suggested - Dire Charge, Epic Toughness or Overwhelming Critical (bite) – except that I’m not sure we’ll need the overwhelming critical on the bite. We’ve established that Kerzit hits automatically on a grapple check, and it’s not likely that he’ll forego his other attacks just to make a melee bite attack.

Oops. That should have been Overwhelming Critical (tentacles) , seeing as Improved Critical in the same weapon is a prerequisite. Speaking of prereqs, Overwhelming Critical also requires Great Cleave and Weapon Focus in the same weapon, so it looks like we'll need to ditch that idea.

 

[BOZ]

well, he only had 2 epic feats anyway, right?


OK, updating kerzit. please check out my numbers and make sure i got everything right.

i think we're just about done with him? maybe all we need to do is decide on the fast healing issue, cuz i can't think of anything else.