Converting Epic Level Beings

Shade · Dec 4, 2007

Mortis said:
It's in the online hypertext version - possibly a mistake (oh it's an epic feat or at least the epic section).

Cool. That's good enough for me.

For the Quicken SLA, wall of iron?

Mortis · Dec 4, 2007

Shade said:
For the Quicken SLA, wall of iron?

Seems appropriate.

Regards
Mortis

Shade · Dec 4, 2007

He can speak the tongue of his species, the tongue common to all ferrous dragons, and has an ability to communicate with any intelligent creature (as can an iron dragon).

We didn't give anything special to the iron, but I'd say telepathy for big G.

He also gains the ability to passwall up to three times a day.

We missed that. :heh:

He casts spells as a 22nd-level wizard and has the following spells: five 1st level, five 2nd, five 3rd, five 4th, three 5th, two 6th, and one 7th.

Most ferrous dragons do not serve deities. None have innate access to domain spells like some of their metallic and chromatic counterparts.

Spells: Bahamut is a 20th-level sorcerer and a 20th-level cleric with access to the Good and Air domains. (Bahamut also gains the granted powers associated with those domains.) In his natural form, Bahamut can cast spells with but a word.

Spells: Tiamat is a 20th-level sorcerer and a 20th-level cleric with access to the Evil and Law domains. (Tiamat also gains the granted powers associated with those domains.) In her natural form, Tiamat can cast spells with but a word.

All ferrous dragons are lawful, and they follow a strict hierarchy. Each dragon is part of a family, with two or three families grouped together in a single clan. Each clan is led by its most powerful member, and a sovereign great wyrm of each species leads all of the clans of a given kind of ferrous dragons. These sovereigns report directly to Gruaghlothor, the Supreme Dragon. Additionally, Gruaghlothor has assigned a hierarchy between the species, from highest to lowest: iron, chromium, cobalt, tungsten, nickel. Although a member of one species has no claim to leadership over one of another, dragons lower on the hierarchy defer to the wisdom and judgment of those of higher rank and equal or greater age.

Organization: Solitary or troupe (Tiamat and 1d6 chromatic dragons of age categories d8+4)
Organization: Solitary or troupe (Bahamut and seven great gold wyrms)

So maybe: Solitary or troupe (Gruaghlothor and one sovereign ferrous dragon of each type: chromium, cobalt, iron, nickel, and tungsten)

Treasure?
Treasure: When traveling, Bahamut carries his magic items and 1d8+4 gems of various sizes. Bahamut's palace contains 2d4 level 20 treasures.
Treasure: When traveling, Tiamat carries her magic items and 2d12+2 gems of various sizes. Her lair contains 2d4 level 20 treasures.

Also, both Tiamat and Bahamut have these two abilities...

See Invisibility (Ex): Bahamut has the extraordinary ability to see invisible creatures. This works like the see invisibility spell with a range of 1,600 feet. This ability is always active.

Water Breathing (Ex): This ability allows Bahamut to breathe underwater indefinitely. He can freely use his breath weapons, spells, and other abilities while submerged.

Do we want either? The former makes more sense than the latter in his case.

Shade · Dec 6, 2007

No takers? Everyone afwaid of the big, bwad dwagon?

Summarizing...

Telepathy 120 ft.

Spells: Gruaghlothor casts spells as a 20th-level sorcerer. In his natural form, Gruaghlothor can cast spells with but a word.

Organization: Solitary or troupe (Gruaghlothor and one sovereign ferrous dragon of each type: chromium, cobalt, iron, nickel, and tungsten)

See Invisibility (Ex): Gruaghlothor has the extraordinary ability to see invisible creatures. This works like the see invisibility spell with a range of 1,600 feet. This ability is always active.

All good?

freyar · Dec 6, 2007

Heheh, just a lot going on in this thread.

That all looks pretty good, though losing 20 CL of cleric spell-casting is a lot compared to B & T. Of course, G isn't a deity either, so maybe that's ok.

Shade · Dec 6, 2007

freyar said:
That all looks pretty good, though losing 20 CL of cleric spell-casting is a lot compared to B & T. Of course, G isn't a deity either, so maybe that's ok.

Keep in mind, too, that he could only cast up to 7th-level spells, so he's getting a bit of a boost.

Shade · Dec 7, 2007

Treasure?
Treasure: When traveling, Bahamut carries his magic items and 1d8+4 gems of various sizes. Bahamut's palace contains 2d4 level 20 treasures.
Treasure: When traveling, Tiamat carries her magic items and 2d12+2 gems of various sizes. Her lair contains 2d4 level 20 treasures.

Maybe...

Treasure: When traveling, Gruaghlothor carries his magic items and 3d4+1 gems of various sizes. Gruaghlothor's lair contains 2d4 level 20 treasures.

CR 25 like Bahamut and Tiamat (non-deity versions)?