Death Blow questions

[Magus_Jerel]

Also, page 121 of the PHB pretty much says it in black and white:

"Usually, you don't elect to take a partial action; the condition you are in or a decision you have made (usually the ready action)mandates its use"....

No where does it distinguish between the player and character there, and yes, the character is surprised (not the player) but the character is not deciding to take a ready action, the player is. I also notice that they use the pronoun "you" as in "you the reader, who is a player" and not the term "your character" in this passage.

So, I don't understand why you have doubt as to the fact that you can't choose to take a partial action.

The bold portion is fallacious. Here is the reason why you DON'T read the word "you" that way under any circumstance;

The action of a D&D game takes place in the imaginations of the players. Like actors in a movie, players sometimes speak as if they were their characters or as if their fellow players were their characters. These rules even adopt that casual approach, using you to refer to and mean "your character." In reality, however you are no more your character that you are the king when you play chess.
Likewise, the world implied by thes rules is an imaginary one.

pg 6 PHB

That text is there, partially in a legal capacity, but also as an explanation of "in what approach" the rules were written. This statement gives your "counterpoint" a fatal error. This is the caveat my players used to eliminate that text and assert their argument "for" this interpretation. This is tantamount to putting the following text into the glossary as a "defined game term".

you: your character

I find it impossible to read it as other than such.

 

[Caliban]

pg 6 PHB

That text is there, partially in a legal capacity, but also as an explanation of "in what approach" the rules were written. This statement gives your "counterpoint" a fatal error. This is the caveat my players used to eliminate that text and assert their argument "for" this interpretation. This is tantamount to putting the following text into the glossary as a "defined game term".

you: your character

I find it impossible to read it as other than such.

Bwahahahaha......

 

[Magus_Jerel]

I'll take it that you find it funny Caliban...

Now - if you care to try and argue against it - fine. If not - learn to laugh elsewhere.

 

[Caliban]

I'll take it that you find it funny Caliban...

Now - if you care to try and argue against it - fine. If not - learn to laugh elsewhere.

Dude, you deserve everything you get if you let your "players" pull that crap with you.

Bwahahaha!

 

[AGGEMAM]

Magus_Jerel, since you didn't state the correct definitions of the extrapolation of 'attack', I'll define them as they are in the PHB.

An attack:
Any action which can potentionally damage an opponent, an opponents possessions, and/or an opponents allies.

An attack action:
An action which physically, by means of a weapon (or anything that counts as a weapon), damages an opponent and/or an opponents possessions.

The attack action:
A melee attack, a ranged attack, or an unarmed attack.


CDG with or without Death Blow, is an attack action.

The original poster asked wether he could use CDG with Death Blow as the 'free melee attack' granted by Expert Tactician.

He cannot because a CDG (even with Death Blow) is not a melee attack as defined under 'the attack action'.

 

[AGGEMAM]

My previous post obviously doesn't count as a post for the server of this board. See above.

*BUMP*

 

[Magus_Jerel]

well - I honestly don't see it as "letting them get away with that crap".

I noted that WotC left out that savign throws automatically fail on a roll of 1... My players were a little shocked to learn this.

I showed them the 1e DMG - and this one little line just caused one player to laugh His head off for 10 minutes straight.

As this book is the exclusive precinct of the DM, you must view any non-DM player posessing it as something less than worthy of honorable death.

His responce was simple - gee... in that version - not only did you get to play the bad guys and try to kill us - but you were supposed to kill us if we DID know the all the written rules?

The idea of "the GM is God - thou shalt never question the GM" - struck them as EXTREMELY funny. I explained to them about "the Sage", FAQ, and forums like these.

Even DM's have to deal with a "supreme court" (The Sage) and "acts of congress" (errata - other books ect)" and all the inconsistencies they generate.

One of them has considered drafting a "Declaration of Freedom from WotC" just for kicks... and I don't blame Him in the least.

You are content with your world of "My way or the Highway" - and have enough "followers" in the despotism that is your game. I don't see players as "subjects to be ruled". You - in making that kind of statement - have to.

Dude, you deserve everything you get if you let your "players" pull that crap

nah - players are supposed to be beaten down and downtrodden all the time... no wonder they often cry out...

"I'm bein opressed - I'm bein opressed"
(monty python image)

When you can treat players as equals - and not subjects - then maybe you might understand. That Caliban - is the true curse of enlightenment... may it never fall upon you.

 

[kreynolds]

When you can treat players as equals - and not subjects - then maybe you might understand. That Caliban - is the true curse of enlightenment... may it never fall upon you.

True, players are not to be ruled. D&D is a game where everyone should have fun. If the DM isn't having fun, he should find a new player group. If a player isn't having fun, he should find another DM. However, you're missing the point. You and you're group are not playing 3rd Edition D&D. You are playing with a homebrew system. I don't have a problem with that, so long as you keep it in the House Rules forum. That is all.

 

[Caliban]

well - I honestly don't see it as "letting them get away with that crap".

*paranoid delusions snipped*

When you can treat players as equals - and not subjects - then maybe you might understand. That Caliban - is the true curse of enlightenment... may it never fall upon you.

You really have no idea, do you? Please, keep it up. Your flights of fantasy really are amusing me now! (I could disprove your earlier claim quite easily. The fact that you can claim that you bought that pathetic line of bull with a straight face is what I find so amusing.)

Bwahahahaha.....!

 

[AGGEMAM]

Civility Caliban, please!