Does True Strike let you sneak attack a concealed opponent?

[Deset Gled]

Boy, and I expected there'd be a consensus.

How often do you see a 100% consensus on the boards these days, even when the question is a lot simpler than this one?

No sneak attack. The spell removes the miss chance due to concealment, but not the actual concealment. The target is still concealed, thus no sneak attack.

 

[Thanee]

I don't have much opinion on the original question. However, on this particular point I'll just point out that it is a "Divination" spell that does provide an "insight" bonus. That gives a pretty good indication that the user is getting specific information in their brain from it (as opposed to an "enhancement", "luck", or "circumstance" bonus).

Yep, but since the effect is just an attack bonus and no information, I'd say the divination only gives some (quite a bit, actually ) guidance and not information about the target or anything.

Anyways, I was just trying to find an explanation for the rule, the way it is written, it clearly doesn't work, since concealment is not removed.

Bye
Thanee

 

[dcollins]

Yep, but since the effect is just an attack bonus and no information, I'd say the divination only gives some (quite a bit, actually ) guidance and not information about the target or anything.

Right, and if it worked that way, it would be unique in being the only Divination that failed to give conscious information about its target. But I hear why you're reaching in that direction.

 

[RigaMortus]

I'd say no.

The reason is rather, that you cannot clearly see the target, because of the concealment factor involved, and thus cannot clearly discern where to strike for a vulnerable body part.

Bye
Thanee

I guess that means you also can not perform a critical hit on someone with concealment either.

 

[Thanee]

You can, critical hit is more of a lucky shot, not a well-aimed blow.

Bye
Thanee

 

[Ogrork the Mighty]

...critical hit is more of a lucky shot, not a well-aimed blow.

Then why is there a feat that you can take to improve your chances of scoring a critical hit? A feat that requires a BAB of +8, representing a skilled adventurer...

If it was luck, it wouldn't have a pre-req of skill to it.

 

[Liquidsabre]

As a note of interest I came across this in the 3.0 FAQ:

"If you somehow negate the opponent's miss chance for concealment, such as by using a truestrike spell, you can sneak attack that opponent."

Since the parts of the 3.0 FAQ are suppose to be still valid for the rules that weren;t changed, apparently this is the correct ruling for the use of truestrike spell and sneak attackign an opponent with concealment, heh.

 

[HellHound]

But it appears that the rule -has- changed, LiquidSabre. The new Trustrike specifically states that it does not counter concealment, it merely counters the miss chance for concealment.

That is, -if- the old true strike did -not- state: "the target is concealed but the miss chance portion of the target's concealed state is negated by the spell. All other effects of concealment remain in effect, such as the inability to make a sneak attack." (I don't have a 3.0 PHB in the house anymore, can't run and check).

Thus, if that line wasn't in the old true strike, then the rule has changed, thus the 3.0 FAQ is not valid for this by your own statement.

Personally, I'd stick with it as written in the PHB, and that true strike does not negate concealment, thus it does not enable sneak attacks against concealed targets.

 

[Liquidsabre]

Yea, I just pulled out my PHB's to compare and the wording is identical. Btw, what you have in italics isn't stated in the spell, that was just my reading of the text as written, which would be clear except for the FAQ contradicts me heh. *shrugs*

 

[HellHound]

Alrighty then, if it is in the 3.0 FAQ, and the spell hasn't changed, then there we go. I'm taking your words on this, however, since I don't have my PHB nor am I digging through the SRD.

Thus, congrats, it allows sneak attacking. I, personally, prefer it this way, although it certainly makes true strike even more potent in the right hands (the wrong hands?)