Dungeon 140, 141 and 142 have no FR or Eberron content

[GQuail]

Um. No. My region just released a new adventure today. Living Greyhawk is still alive and well.

I think Glyfair was being facetious rather than seriously asking. To which I would reply, "ZING!"

Of course, if he was seriously asking (and it's not necesarilly an unfair question, since as he says, the RPGA have seen better days): Indeed, LIving Greyhawk exists. Whether that "counts" to the average D&D player as support is another question entirely. Yeah, it's free, but it's not in my FLGS anywhere - that might just be because the RPGA hasn't much of a Scottish contingent, though.

Back on subject - I see a few people have replied to say tehy're happy with Dungeon's current lineup. The original thread was notable for a vast majority of people backing Dungeon's current percentages vs a small group contesting it - has this changed after all this time much? Is there a notable contingent who really want an speciofically Eberron adventure to get the to buy another issue of Dungeon, or whatever?

 

[Matafuego]

Dungeon 140 is AMAZING.
Of course I don't play in either FR or Eberron (Eb?) and I am a huge fan of the Giant Series so my opinion is a little biased.
But... Adventure Paths (with Eeeeeevil guys at the end and the Isle of Dread) plus love for the old modules and excelent adventures... and people are complaining????

I believe Dungeon and D&D are at their peak after a looooong time... of course there's always room for improvement but they are doing rather good, and I don't think raising the amount of Eberron or Forgotten Realms or Campaign Specific adventures could improve their current situation.

 

[kenobi65]

Of course, if he was seriously asking (and it's not necesarilly an unfair question, since as he says, the RPGA have seen better days): Indeed, LIving Greyhawk exists. Whether that "counts" to the average D&D player as support is another question entirely. Yeah, it's free, but it's not in my FLGS anywhere - that might just be because the RPGA hasn't much of a Scottish contingent, though.

Yeah, i think that's the point.

To those 15,000 or so players who are involved in Living Greyhawk (and I'm included in that number): sure, there's a ton of new Greyhawk material out there.

To the rest of the world: there's very little new Greyhawk material out there.

 

[Dragonbait]

... or plots that use the rules or established concepts in a disrespectful way...

Is it possible to 'splain this one, or give an example other than the humerous drow or illithids?

Makes me wonder what kind of really unusal drek show up? I'm not talking about the adventures that are too generic, or silly, or simply poorly written, but something that stood out as being too problimatic or odd to publish.

I remember a letter in a Dungeon Magazine asking for more sexual scenarios in adventures. They wanted these for their vampiric half-dragon-half-drow character.. Yeah, I raised my brow a that one.

 

[takasi]

Just an update: 142 appears to be core only as well.

Three in a row hasn't happened in a long time.

 

[GwydapLlew]

Just an update: 142 appears to be core only as well.

Three in a row hasn't happened in a long time.

Edit: Nevermind.

 

[Flexor the Mighty!]

This is good for me as I have no interest in those settings, Eberron stuff especially make it too much work to use in my 'hawk game. Any Greyhawk empasis and acutal use of the history of the world for the module are even better.

 

[Kishin]

I really think this issue is rather cut and dry. Obviously as a business Dungeon needs to appeal to the broadest possible audience, and that's what generic adventures do. There's also, in some cases an issue of backwards compatibility: Some elements of the WoTC settings (I'll pick on Warforged as an example, even though Eberron is near and dear to my heart, or maybe even the Shadow Weave in FR) are not as readily transferrable into anyone's homebrew. I'm definitely not advocating that the Eberron/FR adventures should strive to also possess incredible 'homebrew friendliness', as I think that resorts in what I consider to be a 'poor' adventure for the genre of that setting. Tensions Rising in 136 is to me an example of this (No offense to Ryan Smalley, who was written several other excellent adventures), which really had no Eberron flavor to it except for airships, a dolgaunt/dolgrims and a House Lyrandar namedrop and well, I can get airships and freaky aberrations in FR, too.

That said, as a fan of both Eberron and FR, I certainly don't mind seeing more content for those settings. However, I feel like that the attitude amongst fans of those settings that lack of adventures set specifically in them make particular issues worthless. It's not as if someone's delivering a magazine with 100 blank pages to you every month your setting isn't present in them. Generic adventures are generic for a reason: They fit well with any setting, FR or Eberron included. Frankly, the excuse that "I buy Dungeon because I don't have time to write my own adventures" doesn't really fly here. Most of the conversions you might have to make (if you even have to make all) are not mechanical, number crunching endeavors, they are story-based, creative ones, which you can probably do in your head as you read through the adventure.

Overall, while I respect the desire for more published campaign setting content in Dungeon, I disapprove of completely devaluing the magazine, which has done nothing but increase in quality in the last several years, over it. Honestly, this debate is become almost Paladin thread-like in its 'Horse beaten so thoroughly it has been reduced to its component atoms'-ness.

 

[Kaodi]

I don't think generic adventures are any easier to adept (well) to Eberron than Eberron adventures are to generic settings. There is still a good deal of work involved to make them more setting flavourful.

 

[takasi]

I guess it's all about pandering to the lowest common denominator. Why go through the trouble of offering 31 flavors when you can stick with vanilla? After all, if anyone complains that vanilla is boring you can always tell them to go home and add their own toppings.

But if that's the case, why go out and buy their ice cream at all? No matter how good their vanilla is the toppings you add will be what really matters. You might as well go with any old vanilla if that's the case. Or better yet, make your own dessert...