Enterprise 11-05-03

[2d6]

More seriously, it was a fun standalone story. Didn't really do much for me in terms of the overall storyline, though - we already knew the Enterprise has to stop the Xindi to save the earth, right? So nothing to see here, move along.

Much more then earth is at stake now.

 

[jasper]

Nice funny and once again Stupid PLOT HOLE.
Ok if the brain moles exist in outside time blah blah. And they are killed in +12 yrs and at the same time killed at +0 yrs. And the scans show this. How could anyone remember? Or is the standard Trek thing of the computers and physical records change but our memories are scared.
Lets take the Year in hell plot and renamed the Decade that Archer Forgot. See dinosaurs etc. Nice episode to fold laudry and do dishes to.

 

[Mark]

How could anyone remember?

I don't think they do.

 

[Brown Jenkin]

I don't think they do.

Phlox specificaly states that not only is the parisite gone from the current scan but from the original as well. Jasper is right, they should not have known this.

 

[Gab]

Well, the parasites were only gone from a certain part of Archer's brain; not all of it. Maybe that's why Phlox and the others still remembered... I dunno. But the "plot hole" didn't affect my enjoyment of the show.

 

[Mark]

Phlox specificaly states that not only is the parisite gone from the current scan but from the original as well. Jasper is right, they should not have known this.

Ah, I see. Jasper (and Jenkin) meant not just at the end but partially into the story as they begin to destroy the parasites? So the plot hole would be closed if as they destroyed some of the parasites, they'd lose some of their memory of the experience?

I assumed that the parasites had their effect by being there at all, rather than an increasing effect as they grew. Obviously there is more than one explanation. One allows the story to work while the other creates a plot hole.

I'm with Gab. I'd rather just enjoy the story, and for me not losing the memory until all of the parasites are completely eradicated works just fine. At a certain point, the quest for plot holes ruins the story for me, rather than being somewhat forgiving of them if necessary (which I'm not sure even applies in this case).

 

[Shadeus]

What's funny is it is a plot hole that closes itself! You would think they would want to run this treatment until all the parasites were gone, right? Now assuming having 5 of the parasites has the same as 100 that Archer had at the end, the loop would close itself the very first time they tried to "cure" him.

How? Phlox activates the cure and destroy 5 of the parasites. So everyone forgets he had 100 and now thinks Archer had 95 from the beginning. So in this "alternate reality" where archer had 95 parasites the whole time, Phlox would still go through the cure process each time eliminating 5 of the parasites (in my example) until there were none left. So in the last "alternate timeline," Archer would have 5 parasites and Phlox' procedure would completely cure him and it would be as if it never happened.

Does that make any sense?

As for archer taking 3 weapon shots, maybe they had their weapons on fun...err, stun!

 

[myrdden]

Hmm, Rosemary's Baby for movie night. That at least brings their movie database up to the late 1960s. I wonder if Earth produces any music, movies, or books in the future? If they do, nobody on any of the Star Trek shows seems to be a fan.

LOL. That has often been my suspicion as well. At least this time the movie is a bit more "modern". I've yet to see a "movie night" on any of the Treks that featured a movie that was not in black and white. Maybe everyone loves the classics?

Myrdden

 

[myrdden]

Well, the parasites were only gone from a certain part of Archer's brain; not all of it. Maybe that's why Phlox and the others still remembered... I dunno. But the "plot hole" didn't affect my enjoyment of the show.

That's the key to these types of episodes...don't think about the plot! I've never really liked time travel or time anamoly stories - the only one that was reasonably well done was "Yesterday's Enterprise" in my opinion - because they often require MASSIVE amounts of suspension of disbelief (SOD). I'm all for SOD and readily give it up but sometimes plots are so weak that it is not possible.

The show had some great visuals, revealed a possible future and was a simple stand alone episode that really didn't push the storyline any further. Bottom line though is it was an entertaining hour and to be honest, I haven't had a lot of those with this show.

Myrdden

 

[mojo1701]

That's the key to these types of episodes...don't think about the plot! I've never really liked time travel or time anamoly stories - the only one that was reasonably well done was "Yesterday's Enterprise" in my opinion - because they often require MASSIVE amounts of suspension of disbelief (SOD). I'm all for SOD and readily give it up but sometimes plots are so weak that it is not possible.

I agree. "Yesterday's Enterprise" was a great episode, and with the SOD thing. I usually do that whenever I watch Trek or anything else like it. Unless I'm criticizing something (like when my brother's watching Harry Potter, but I'm not gonna get into that.)

The show had some great visuals, revealed a possible future and was a simple stand alone episode that really didn't push the storyline any further. Bottom line though is it was an entertaining hour and to be honest, I haven't had a lot of those with this show.

Myrdden

There have been quite a few more this season compared to the last two.