Dursk Starkfire
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oh yeah...
and "Wee Jas grants you the gift of death"
and "Wee Jas grants you the gift of death"
Great white wyrm - DEAD
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Dursk Starkfire
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LGodamus
unlike your 19th level sorceress, I'm certain that the KotSK doesn't have horrid wilting and meteor swarm to cast repetitively at their leisure...
with that advice, you might as well just suggest they all cast time stop, sneak attack with a flurry of blows for 1d20 + 10d6 each attack, while whistling a merry tune that inspires greatness in the far-away rebuilding town of Verbabonc.
otherwise, your munchkinized schemes are useless. You must play in campaigns that are extremely boring, as there is never a challenge to be creative seeming as you have more at your disposal than Fort Knox on Veteran's Day.
If you'd like to provide some serious discussion, you might want to consider that this is a party of 14th level characters, and not deities of the upper pantheon.
Dursk.
unlike your 19th level sorceress, I'm certain that the KotSK doesn't have horrid wilting and meteor swarm to cast repetitively at their leisure...
with that advice, you might as well just suggest they all cast time stop, sneak attack with a flurry of blows for 1d20 + 10d6 each attack, while whistling a merry tune that inspires greatness in the far-away rebuilding town of Verbabonc.
otherwise, your munchkinized schemes are useless. You must play in campaigns that are extremely boring, as there is never a challenge to be creative seeming as you have more at your disposal than Fort Knox on Veteran's Day.
If you'd like to provide some serious discussion, you might want to consider that this is a party of 14th level characters, and not deities of the upper pantheon.
Dursk.
Use those Remorhazes. Polymorph a few of them for ease of transport, and then reverse the spell when appropriate. Yeah, Big A is going to tear the snot out of the oversized bug, but each hit Big A makes will yeild 20d10 points of damage against him, no save. Because the Remorhazes aren't too intelligent, the bug might just get enraged, and keep pounding on the dragon, keeping the dragon's attention from you. Meanwhile make with the Destructions.
Either way, set up a Fire bug vs White dragon grudge match. Don't forget the popcorn.
In more detail, 20d10 does 110 pts. of damage on average, so a white dragon would have to hit the Remorhaz 5 times to kill the dragon, depending upon the HP rat-bastardry of Dr. Mid. The average Rem. has 73 HP, it would only take Accessiwal 3 hits to kill the bug. So, bring 2. Or three for good measure. Don't forget to throw the bugs at A after he uses his breath weapon.
If Doc. Mid says there arn't any more Remorhazes in the area, scry the bug, then go get it. And so Accessiwal doesn't know what you're up to: Rings of Non-Detection!
Either way, set up a Fire bug vs White dragon grudge match. Don't forget the popcorn.
In more detail, 20d10 does 110 pts. of damage on average, so a white dragon would have to hit the Remorhaz 5 times to kill the dragon, depending upon the HP rat-bastardry of Dr. Mid. The average Rem. has 73 HP, it would only take Accessiwal 3 hits to kill the bug. So, bring 2. Or three for good measure. Don't forget to throw the bugs at A after he uses his breath weapon.
If Doc. Mid says there arn't any more Remorhazes in the area, scry the bug, then go get it. And so Accessiwal doesn't know what you're up to: Rings of Non-Detection!
Vek - I thought a bit more about the druid throwing empowered Flame Strikes. Here's what I can come up with.
Druid starts with 18 Wisdom. Take Spellcasing Prodigy which will make it effectively 20. 3 stat increases make it 23. +6 Wisdom item gets you to 29.
At 14th level, that would give 4 6th level slots for empowered Flame Strikes, and 6 4th level slots for ordinary ones.
Taking Spell Penetration and Greater Spell Penetration would give him a slightly better than 50-50 chance to beat the dragon's SR. Taking Spell Focus and Greater Spell Focus would make the DC for the Flame Strikes 27. So the dragon would probably save about 2/3's of the time.
So about 40% of the time, you're doing no damage at all, about 40% of the time you'll do 10d6 damage, and 20% of the time you'll hit for 42d6.
So, if you're lucky, you could wipe the dragon out with a few of those spells. But, you would have to be pretty lucky.
On the other hand, when properly buffed, the cleric archer you were thinking about could have a RAB of +36, or +34 when using Rapid Shot. So landing 2 or 3 hits on the dragon in a round wouldn't be inconcievable. He could score somewhere around 35 damage per hit on average, too.
Either way, it'll still be tough to kill.
Druid starts with 18 Wisdom. Take Spellcasing Prodigy which will make it effectively 20. 3 stat increases make it 23. +6 Wisdom item gets you to 29.
At 14th level, that would give 4 6th level slots for empowered Flame Strikes, and 6 4th level slots for ordinary ones.
Taking Spell Penetration and Greater Spell Penetration would give him a slightly better than 50-50 chance to beat the dragon's SR. Taking Spell Focus and Greater Spell Focus would make the DC for the Flame Strikes 27. So the dragon would probably save about 2/3's of the time.
So about 40% of the time, you're doing no damage at all, about 40% of the time you'll do 10d6 damage, and 20% of the time you'll hit for 42d6.
So, if you're lucky, you could wipe the dragon out with a few of those spells. But, you would have to be pretty lucky.
On the other hand, when properly buffed, the cleric archer you were thinking about could have a RAB of +36, or +34 when using Rapid Shot. So landing 2 or 3 hits on the dragon in a round wouldn't be inconcievable. He could score somewhere around 35 damage per hit on average, too.
Either way, it'll still be tough to kill.
Grog said:
On the other hand, if you disguised it with an illusion it might work, assuming he couldn't see through it. So maybe this is a good idea. Sure, there's no way he'd hit it more than once, but hey, free 110 damage.
This might not be a bad idea, assuming you can get your hands on a remorhaz somehow.
Wee Jas said:
Oh, at high levels, killing things isn't generally a problem. It's staying alive that's the problem. Said rogue, for instance, has sunk just about all his resources into dishing out hideous amounts of damage. He'd better hit with those attacks, because if he doesn't, the dragon gets to chomp on HIM.
Note also that the dragon will in all likelihood have mage armour, shield, cat's grace and haste going, for an AC in the 40s or even 50s. It's unlikely you'll hit with everything.
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