D&D 5E How on earth is this balanced?! Twilight cleric, more in-play evidence

[Aaron L]

Great way to excuse the designers doing whatever they want then.

You mean a great way to grant experienced game designers the leeway they need to craft a game that gives every player a chance to shine and have fun? Yes, yes it is.

Thank you for your contribution.

You are quite welcome.

 

[Neonchameleon]

The Shepherd Druid can provide 5+Lv Temp HP to a whole party as a bonus action wit the Bear totem... but they don't regenerate...The Twilight Cleric is a straight upgrade to that.

A standard action is never a straight upgrade to a bonus action. Especially when the bonus action isn't a spell.

Not saying that it's not better - but an action is a high cost.

The problem with the Twilight Cleric isn't the channel divinity. That would be fine as a central reason for taking the class. It's that it has the channel divinity and the darkvision and the martial weapons + heavy armour and the initiative and the flight and a superb spell list.

 

[Sacrosanct]

Last Saturday we finished up a campaign with a twilight cleric. The party got to level 10. Yeah, it's pretty OP. I had to alter many encounters so they wouldn't be cake walks. Every time I managed to hit them, they just got more temp HP the next round. It was crazy.

 

[Neonchameleon]

You mean a great way to grant experienced game designers the leeway they need to craft a game that gives every player a chance to shine and have fun? Yes, yes it is.

And you know what they call a game where every player has a chance to shine and have fun? Balanced.

 

[commandercrud]

And you know what they call a game where every player has a chance to shine and have fun? Balanced.

Balance and fun are entirely different scales and unrelated in every conceivable way.

 

[Aaron L]

And you know what they call a game where every player has a chance to shine and have fun? Balanced.

Yes... that is what I said.

 

[Ancalagon]

The Shepherd Druid can provide 5+Lv Temp HP to a whole party as a bonus action wit the Bear totem... but they don't regenerate...The Twilight Cleric is a straight upgrade to that.

Also an upgrade to the Inspiring Leader feat...

But maybe it's the other abilities that were over-tuned??

So the game I ran with a twilight cleric? There was also a shepherd druid in the party, who played as a "summoner". The "meatwall" was insane.

 

[Mort]

Balance and fun are entirely different scales and unrelated in every conceivable way.

So it's "fun" when the guy next to you has a character that can do everything you can do, but better?

I haven't actually seen this in 5e but I have in 3.5 and in other game systems (Palladium is a big offender)

 

[Aaron L]

Balance and fun are entirely different scales and unrelated in every conceivable way.

What?

 

[commandercrud]

So it's "fun" when the guy next to you has a character that can do everything you can do, but better?

I haven't actually seen this in 5e but I have in 3.5 and in other game systems (Palladium is a big offender)

Apparently I use a different means of measuring fun than effectiveness in combat compared to the other players.