D&D 5E Is Paladine Bahamut? Is Takhisis Tiamat? Fizban's Treasury Might Reveal The Answer!

According to WotC's James Wyatt, Fizban's Treasury of Dragons introduces a new cosmology for dragon gods, where the same beings, including Fizban, echo across various D&D campaign settings with alternate versions of themselves (presumably like Paladine/Bahamut, or Takhisis/Tiamat). Also... the various version can merge into one single form.

Takhisis is the five-headed dragon god of evil from the Dragonlance setting. Paladine is the platinum dragon god of good (and also Fizban's alter-ego).

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Additionally, the book will contain psychic gem dragons, with stats for all four age categories of the five varieties (traditionally there are Amethyst, Crystal, Emerald, Sapphire, and Topaz), plus Dragonborn characters based on metallic, chromatic, and gem dragons.


 
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Russ Morrissey

Russ Morrissey

The only 5E books confirmed to be canon - the "public-facing" canon - are the current printings of the core rulebooks.
People keep saying this, but I thought what was said was that only the 5e RPG books are canon. So not novels, not video games, but yes Tasha's Cauldron of Everything and Van Richten's Guide to Ravenloft. Did I miss something?
 

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Bolares

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Isn't it a bit impossible otherwise? I mean I know of groups that had a TPK against Tiamat in RoT. There is no "official" lore that will ever support that result. I just don't see how to reconcile player games with setting lore. Of course I don't use official settings so I may just be inexperienced in that department.
"I hope this thread has finally taught me to stop engaging people on the topic of the relevance of "official" lore/fluff past and present."

:p :p :p
 

. The progenitors shouldn't be derivative creators who copied the works of Bahamut, Takhisis, and the various gods who created various creatures. Eberron's elves have never been, and should not now be, the children of
Why? Why is this such a bad thing? I just don’t see how, particularly in a setting where the whole idea of gods could be false, this is such a terrible concept? Why does it matter at all if Eberron is first, 2nd, or 75th? Why does it matter if Eberron is part of, or completely separate from, the Great Wheel or the World Axis or any other cosmology? I just don’t see how it really affects anything at the table.

Edit: just wanted to say I understand that you personally may not like what you see as a change in the lore, and that is valid, but that alone does not make it a bad thing.
 
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Parmandur

Book-Friend
People keep saying this, but I thought what was said was that only the 5e RPG books are canon. So not novels, not video games, but yes Tasha's Cauldron of Everything and Van Richten's Guide to Ravenloft. Did I miss something?
What Perkins said is that the 3 core books are the only "public facing canon" for D&D, that is, the only thing they are forcing media partners and freelancers to adhere to. The Paramount filmmakers and Larian Studios are being held to the content of the DMG, MM, and PHB in detail, but are not expected to stick with the SCAG or Volo's Guide (though I suppose they could if they wanted to?).
 

People keep saying this, but I thought what was said was that only the 5e RPG books are canon. So not novels, not video games, but yes Tasha's Cauldron of Everything and Van Richten's Guide to Ravenloft. Did I miss something?
Yes you did. Crawford said in a tweet or at conference or something about other media content not being canon. However, that was followed up by Perkins in a detailed blog post on the D&D website called “D&D Canon” I believe. It is that blog post that describe the core rule books (PHB, DMG, MM) as the only canon.

edit: here it is D&D Canon
 
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Bolares

Hero
What Perkins said is that the 3 core books are the only "public facing canon" for D&D, that is, the only thing they are forcing media partners and freelancers to adhere to. The Paramount filmmakers and Larian Studios are being held to the content of the DMG, MM, and PHB in detail, but are not expected to stick with the SCAG or Volo's Guide (though I suppose they could if they wanted to?).
Sometimes it seems like people refuse to understand this. Canon did not change this year... Why do people choose to understand something in a light that will make them mad?
 

doctorbadwolf

Heretic of The Seventh Circle
Why? Why is this such a bad thing? I just don’t see how, particularly in a setting where the whole idea of gods could be false, this is such a terrible concept? Why does it matter at all if Eberron is first, 2nd, or 75th? Why does it matter if Eberron is part of, or completely separate from, the Great Wheel or the World Axis or any other cosmology? I just don’t see how it really affects anything at the table.

Edit: just wanted to say I understand that you personally may not like what you see as a change in the lore, and that is valid, but that alone does not make it a bad thing.
It changes what the progenitors are. It changes the feel of the world for my whole group. It “berk”s the entire setting and everyone in it.
 





Maxperson

Morkus from Orkus
People keep saying this, but I thought what was said was that only the 5e RPG books are canon. So not novels, not video games, but yes Tasha's Cauldron of Everything and Van Richten's Guide to Ravenloft. Did I miss something?
Initially one designer said that. Shortly after another one came and clarified that only the core books are public facing canon. That's an interesting way to put it, because it implies that there is non-public facing canon that is outside of the core books. If the core three were the only canon period, then there wouldn't any reason to specify public facing.
 




Urriak Uruk

Gaming is fun, and fun is for everyone
People keep saying this, but I thought what was said was that only the 5e RPG books are canon. So not novels, not video games, but yes Tasha's Cauldron of Everything and Van Richten's Guide to Ravenloft. Did I miss something?


FIFTH EDITION’S CANON BEGINS WITH ITS CORE RULEBOOKS.
Fifth edition’s canon includes every bit of lore that appears in the most up-to-date printings of the fifth edition Player’s Handbook, Monster Manual, and Dungeon Master’s Guide. Beyond these core rulebooks, we don’t have a public-facing account of what is canonical in fifth edition because we don’t want to overload our fellow creators and business partners.
 

Scribe

Hero

FIFTH EDITION’S CANON BEGINS WITH ITS CORE RULEBOOKS.
Fifth edition’s canon includes every bit of lore that appears in the most up-to-date printings of the fifth edition Player’s Handbook, Monster Manual, and Dungeon Master’s Guide. Beyond these core rulebooks, we don’t have a public-facing account of what is canonical in fifth edition because we don’t want to overload our fellow creators and business partners.
Exactly, I don't think it could be any more clear.

MToF isn't canon.
Fizbans won't be canon? I would assume not.

There is no canon.
 

Bolares

Hero
Maybe I'm not reading it right but how I understand this is:

-to the public all 5e books are as canon as any other book ever was. (take what you want and ignore what you want, this are our basic assumptions and propositions.

-to fellow creators and business partners, you need to adhere only to the core 3, as our only public facing account of what is canonical. Don't worry about strictly following the events of out of the abyss or the take on elves from mornenkainen
 

Scribe

Hero
Maybe I'm not reading it right but how I understand this is:

-to the public all 5e books are as canon as any other book ever was. (take what you want and ignore what you want, this are our basic assumptions and propositions.

-to fellow creators and business partners, you need to adhere only to the core 3, as our only public facing account of what is canonical. Don't worry about strictly following the events of out of the abyss or the take on elves from mornenkainen
Those are opposing paths.

If group A has 1 set of canon, and group B has a different one, then there is no canon.
 

Bolares

Hero
Those are opposing paths.

If group A has 1 set of canon, and group B has a different one, then there is no canon.
I remmember them saying there were different canons.... wasn't that a thing? My take is I could care less what is the canon for anything but the game. And even then I care about canon in a sense of them keeping up the spirit and principles of the settings and characters...
 

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