D&D (2024) Monster manual Fey video up

[Reynard]

Lying to readers in the Monster Manual is as old as Monster Manuals.

It isn't a lie if it is true in at least one universe of the multiverse. And, by definition, it has to be.

 

[Mistwell]

Can we get an actual new edition like next year? Like laugh and show that this whole 2024 was a prank done in the spare time and a staff of 30+ veteran designers has been actually making a real next generation of D&D?

No, you cannot get an actual new edition. This one is selling extraordinarily well for them (more PHBs sold each year than were sold in the entire lifetime of 3e), expanded the audience hugely, and so they will stick with it for a long time.

They never once said it was intended to be a next generation of D&D. They told you up front it was just a facelift. And people voted in surveys and rejected even some of the modest changes they proposed, making it clear this was a facelift driven by the customer base preferences.

You will need to go to other games, or third party changes to this base game, to find what you're looking for.

 

[Chaltab]

I feel like people are forgetting that even in 3E, the edition that let you build basically anything, PC races often came with a level adjustment.

 

[Tonguez]

This thing about what is humanoid and what's not humanoid is getting far too complicated for anyone's good.

So. PCs have to be humanoid, even when they are ostensibly the same species as their non-humanoid cousins, because they are lesser than their relatives for arbitrary reasons?

yes your Plasmoid PC isnt an ooze anymore he's just a little Flaccid


you know, this is reminding me of the 3.5 Templates game - I want my PC to be a fey-touched axiomatic, crystalheart, chthonic, plasmoid dwarf with medusa heritage

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

you know, this is reminding me of the 3.5 Templates game - I want my PC to be a fey-touched axiomatic, crystalheart, chthonic, plasmoid dwarf with medusa heritage

Another argument in favor of making this feat-based, since there's a limited budget for those.

 

[Remathilis]

Can we get an actual new edition like next year? Like laugh and show that this whole 2024 was a prank done in the spare time and a staff of 30+ veteran designers has been actually making a real next generation of D&D?

Sure. But per the monkey paw's finger curl, it's going to a VTT MMO developed by Blizzard.

 

[humble minion]

So your typical old school humanoid goblins still exist in the world. But also, the goblins in the MM are Fey that emphasize that Feyness. They can exist alongside humanoid goblins, without changing those humanoid goblins. Both kinds are there.

I dunno. It seems like a fairly tenuous stretch of logic, but I guess we'll see. Are we really arguing that there's two separate species, one fey and one humanoid, both called 'goblin'.

Also, it seems to literally contradict the line quoted.

'When you're a player, you've lost some of your feyness and become humanoid."

That implies that the INDIVIDUAL changes from fey to humanoid when they become a PC. Which, in my opinion, is a piece of worldbuilding that's as dumb as a box of hair.

 

[Chaltab]

That implies that the INDIVIDUAL changes from fey to humanoid when they become a PC. Which, in my opinion, is a piece of worldbuilding that's as dumb as a box of hair.

He... he didn't mean that literally

 

[I'm A Banana]

I dunno. It seems like a fairly tenuous stretch of logic, but I guess we'll see. Are we really arguing that there's two separate species, one fey and one humanoid, both called 'goblin'.

Also, it seems to literally contradict the line quoted.

'When you're a player, you've lost some of your feyness and become humanoid."

That implies that the INDIVIDUAL changes from fey to humanoid when they become a PC. Which, in my opinion, is a piece of worldbuilding that's as dumb as a box of hair.

Yeah, two separate species (or more), all being kinds of "goblin."

The quote in its full context is specifically about PHB elves, which Jeremy describes as having "lost some of their feyness," when specifically compared to their fully fey ancestors. In this context, he's explaining how the PHB elf is specifically an elf that's been on the material plane for long enough to become humanoid. He compares the humanoid gith from Monsters of the Multiverse to the aberration gith in the new MM as an analogue. He goes on to say that the new types in the MM don't re-define the types for creatures that already exist. Which would mean that your Spelljammer PC plasmoid is still an Ooze - not everything playable is getting "rounded down to humanoid" so to speak.

 

[mamba]

Are we really arguing that there's two separate species, one fey and one humanoid, both called 'goblin'.

no, they are arguing that goblins exist on a spectrum of fey-ness, with some having crossed over to humanoid generations ago

'When you're a player, you've lost some of your feyness and become humanoid."

That implies that the INDIVIDUAL changes from fey to humanoid when they become a PC. Which, in my opinion, is a piece of worldbuilding that's as dumb as a box of hair.

is that a quote? Because they did say that the PC goblins are from some goblin ‘tribe’ that has lost its fey-ness a long time ago, it is not happening the moment someone decides to turn a fey goblin into a PC