Sorry Krusty, as a solution that doesn't wash. You can gain fast movement before and after acquiring a divine template or divine ability. There needs to be a single way of determining how the doubling/tripling/x multiplication working when dealing with movement speed bonuses.Upper_Krust said:
mercucio said:Sorry Krusty, as a solution that doesn't wash. You can gain fast movement before and after acquiring a divine template or divine ability. There needs to be a single way of determining how the doubling/tripling/x multiplication working when dealing with movement speed bonuses.
Pardon me for saving you unnecessary work. I'm just saying, the mechanism for mortals becoming outsiders already exists, no need to make one. Even if Orcus was mortal once (which I don't buy into, personally), he worked his way up through the ranks, starting as a mane.I kinda expected that from you War Dragon...more negativity. Really...if you cant use CONSTRUCTIVE criticism...please keep your peanut gallery comments to yourself. You actually aren't contributing anything but the ever oppressive word NO. More and more I understand the name War Dragon. It suites you.
And there are examples of elite mortals becoming specific fiend types. Orcus himself was once human, though his depravity made him into a demon.
dante58701 said:Thats kinda what Im looking for. A prestige class for becoming a devil...sans divine template. Using just the rules in the Monster Manual. This way it would be justified for the slapping on of the divine template since it is being slapped onto a character with class levels, rather than a full blown outsider.
CR2000 said:Divine Immensity allows you to change your size at will to any size.
CR2000 said:Would this eliminate the need of a diety druid grabbing all the (size) Wild Shape epic feats? Divine Immensity allows for sizes smaller and greater than what those feats allow and I asume your manifestation would be the deity regardles of what he could potentially turn himself into. So I think it would erase the need for that deity to have to grab those epic feats.
CR2000 said:Does Legendary Companion work on a druid companion if he has taken the Beast Companion or Dragon companion epic feats?
CR2000 said:After contemplation I think that the size wild shape feats woudl allow to to wild shape into, say, a Gargantuan elemental and then use divine immensity to get bigger, otherwise you woudl have to wild shape into a normal huge elemental and divine immensity to get bigger. The (size) wild shape feats could be used to start you off with the bigger badder stat version of creatures. Without Colossal Wild Shape you'd wild shape into a Gargantuan Dragon and have to use Divine Immenisty to get bigger, while with Colossal wild shape you coudl wild shape into those badder dragons with the better starting stats, and then divine immensity from there......?? Right, still use both?
Upper_Krust said:Hey CR2000 dude!
Technically it only allows you to change size by +/-1 size category per Divine Immensity.
Well those epic feats would stack with Divine Immensity so if a Druid had Colossal Wildshape and Divine Immensity - they could wildshape into a colossal monster and then grow to Titanic size.
I will say yes, but I need to go over the mechanics of those feats to make sure the balance is right. What I suggest is that you make sure you use the Challenge Ratings in version 6 and that when you apply the Legendary Template.
Technically no Companion should have a CR greater than half your druid level.
So a Legendary Great Wyrm Black Dragon would be CR 81*, so you would need to be a 162nd-level Druid to get one of those.
GWBD = CR 31.
Legendary Template = CR +6*, +0.45 extra HD (for Dragons).
*Technically that may be one or two points too high considering Damage Reduction and Spell Resistance would not be factors since dragons already have those.
CR2000 said:Hello UK!!
CR2000 said:Yeah, duh! Maybe I should read the wholefeat next time, sorry.
CR2000 said:Now that I know DI is a one size per take of the ability, yeah it all makes a whole lot more sense now. If it was a 'take it once' ability for any size catogory you wanted than you coudl see why I had that inital questions, but with knowing it's only a one size cat bump, it all gels.
CR2000 said:I'm working with a 100 Hit Die druid who's a greater deity, +80 ECL. I'll figure it out, thanks though.
CR2000 said:I thought maybe you'd have another feat for those like Legdenay Dragon Companion or some crap like that, ya know.
CR2000 said:Thanks for the clarification.