D&D 5E [OOC] Uller's Out of the Abyss
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SunGold
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You owe us both hair dye & I'm holding you to it.
And hey, speaking of elves owing me things...
Remember those goblins from way back? The ones I tossed a gold to, to guide us through the webs? Well...Erevan's got YukYuk's shoes now so like... *awkward cough* did you get my gold back off his corpse?
(SO CRASS)
(But don't even try to tell me you didn't)
And hey, speaking of elves owing me things...
Remember those goblins from way back? The ones I tossed a gold to, to guide us through the webs? Well...Erevan's got YukYuk's shoes now so like... *awkward cough* did you get my gold back off his corpse?
(SO CRASS)
(But don't even try to tell me you didn't)
JustinCase
the magical equivalent to the number zero
Let me check the notes and get back on that.
Uller
Adventurer
The way I typically rule on surprise is it's not a group thing. It's an individual thing. Individuals that fail to notice the threat are surprised. Blopp noticed. Her two guards both could have noticed but failed (not by much). Orsik's guard was the only one that could notice him and he failed (barely). Had he noticed Orsik fidgeting, I think he'd have warned everyone before combat and it would have been "no surprise, roll init (maybe with advantage since you were more ready for combat than them).
I think it mostly 'paid off' because of some good dice rolls.
I think it mostly 'paid off' because of some good dice rolls.
SunGold
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This is the slap-fight that will never end.
I stand by the fact that it was a bad idea whose payoff did not merit the risk. That a bad idea happens to not blow up in your face does not make it any less of one.
My annoyance was largely due to the fact that you did this after insisting on being the one directly in front of the character who's gonna have the highest chance of noticing (priestess! wisdom!), and right after we had all agreed that Orsik taking advantage of the surprise house rule was the plan. Maybe you didn't intend it this way, but it read as a self-centered move. Like, "Screw the party's best chances, I just need to make sure that I get to hit something immediately."
This place is small. None of us was going to be more than 30' from Blopp. If you really wanted to pull that, it would've at least been slightly less screw-you to hang back and not risk the most important enemy noticing. We're all within range of meleeing her this round anyway.
I stand by the fact that it was a bad idea whose payoff did not merit the risk. That a bad idea happens to not blow up in your face does not make it any less of one.
My annoyance was largely due to the fact that you did this after insisting on being the one directly in front of the character who's gonna have the highest chance of noticing (priestess! wisdom!), and right after we had all agreed that Orsik taking advantage of the surprise house rule was the plan. Maybe you didn't intend it this way, but it read as a self-centered move. Like, "Screw the party's best chances, I just need to make sure that I get to hit something immediately."
This place is small. None of us was going to be more than 30' from Blopp. If you really wanted to pull that, it would've at least been slightly less screw-you to hang back and not risk the most important enemy noticing. We're all within range of meleeing her this round anyway.
Listen, in all seriousness, I insisted on being in front of her, because I have the potential for the greatest damage and Erevan was hesitant about being front and center. Having the dagger is also not merely 1d4 damage, but also an additional +2 to hit and damage for me, since unarmed combat is not finesse. Waiting for Erevan to distribute weapons potentially wastes an entire round or longer, and if we DON'T have surprise, that is an entire round that we soak attacks without the ability to strike back.
Relying on the dwarf to kick off the surprise round was much more debilitating than my Sleight of Hand (which is pretty good, to begin with) was, at least in my mind. (Considering that it was reliant on a Dex check, which I imagine is not stellar.)
Now it feels that your frustration is predicated on assuming that this priestess has an insane Perception skill. My assumption, and this may be faulty, is that NOT everyone is trained in the Perception skill. Sure she probably has a high Wisdom, but I was hoping that my +5 would give me an edge. I am placing a lot of trust in the DM to take these kinds of things into account as well. I mean we are already outnumbered and at a disadvantage, I felt that Ezraen would try to stack a little bit more in our favor, calling upon skills from past life...
I think that the miscommunication comes in that you are making an assumption that Erevan can get us all our weapons in one round, where I am making the assumption that he cannot. You think I am threatening our surprise, where I think I am giving us a shot to maximize damage that first round, surprise or not.
I'll let it drop, but I did feel like your initial response was an attack at me, thinking I was just trying to be stupid. This is my explanation, meta AND story.
Relying on the dwarf to kick off the surprise round was much more debilitating than my Sleight of Hand (which is pretty good, to begin with) was, at least in my mind. (Considering that it was reliant on a Dex check, which I imagine is not stellar.)
Now it feels that your frustration is predicated on assuming that this priestess has an insane Perception skill. My assumption, and this may be faulty, is that NOT everyone is trained in the Perception skill. Sure she probably has a high Wisdom, but I was hoping that my +5 would give me an edge. I am placing a lot of trust in the DM to take these kinds of things into account as well. I mean we are already outnumbered and at a disadvantage, I felt that Ezraen would try to stack a little bit more in our favor, calling upon skills from past life...
I think that the miscommunication comes in that you are making an assumption that Erevan can get us all our weapons in one round, where I am making the assumption that he cannot. You think I am threatening our surprise, where I think I am giving us a shot to maximize damage that first round, surprise or not.
I'll let it drop, but I did feel like your initial response was an attack at me, thinking I was just trying to be stupid. This is my explanation, meta AND story.
JustinCase
the magical equivalent to the number zero
Erevan's got the gold coin. But does Surana know? 
