(OT) Hmmm Star Wars II Seen I Have!
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EricNoah
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I saw it last night, enjoyed it quite a bit. I will be curious how a 2nd viewing holds up, but yes there will be a 2nd viewing. 
The acting was mostly lusterless, and that's the director's fault. And some of the writing was not so good. But none of it was as horrible as I'd built it up in my mind, and the action payoffs were worth it. As was the Anakin/Tusken scene, at least for me.
The acting was mostly lusterless, and that's the director's fault. And some of the writing was not so good. But none of it was as horrible as I'd built it up in my mind, and the action payoffs were worth it. As was the Anakin/Tusken scene, at least for me.
Desdichado
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Not having seen the movie, there may be logical reasons why the land battle is essential, though. Sure, orbital bombing is great for the genocidal approach to warfare, but not for the "conquering the population" mindset.
And, in Starship Troopers, they needed the infantry because the insects lived below ground and were thus mostly immune to orbital bombing.
And, in Starship Troopers, they needed the infantry because the insects lived below ground and were thus mostly immune to orbital bombing.
King_Stannis
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Actually, reading that review at salon.com started to get me thinking. I think that many reviewers are angry that their quasi-influential status is voided for the star wars phenomenon. Many of the reviewers get downright nasty when describing the “mind numbed lucas-robots” that go to these movies, despite the reviewer’s finely crafted negative review (the gall!). I really think for a lot of the professional reviewers they purposely look for things to snipe at when going to see these movies (especially these last two), because they have nothing but contempt in their heart for the fans of the series. Almost every negative review of these last two movies has taken swipes at the fans and what sheep they are, while then going on to give an “objective” review. They probably have figured out that no one is really listening to them when it comes to these movies anyways, so they might as well write a nasty review – which is so much more fun for them. As I alluded to earlier, professional reviewers are superfluous when it comes to the star wars series, kind of like a third nipple. The fan opinion is what matters.
Rashak Mani
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What has been lacking in this debate is the primary Question of:
Are the Episode I and II up to the same levels/style as the original Star Wars ? In my opinion even before seeing Episode II I would give a resounding NO.
So maybe its not fair to compare... but even then it seems if it were a COMPLETELY NEW Sci-Fi series it wouldnt get half the positive reviews and packed theatres it gets now. Without the Star Wars name on it do you think it would be getting this much attention ? By themselves they are very very weak storywise and dont even get close to what made the original stuff so good.
I loved Star Wars and I will see the movie because I want to know the Background and history of the OTHER Star Wars... if Anakin wasnt Darth Vader to be most "fans" wouldnt give a dam about him.... its not the story of Episode I or II most people yearn for... its the getting to know the past of Episodes 4 to 6.
Lucas is getting old and should either retire or drop his CGI mania behind him and make real movies again. Lousy acting in the movies is really spoiling it for mid way fanatics or normal people.
(Yes some people do actually love it as is... but most who love it are doing it for reasons beyond the movie itself... )
Are the Episode I and II up to the same levels/style as the original Star Wars ? In my opinion even before seeing Episode II I would give a resounding NO.
So maybe its not fair to compare... but even then it seems if it were a COMPLETELY NEW Sci-Fi series it wouldnt get half the positive reviews and packed theatres it gets now. Without the Star Wars name on it do you think it would be getting this much attention ? By themselves they are very very weak storywise and dont even get close to what made the original stuff so good.
I loved Star Wars and I will see the movie because I want to know the Background and history of the OTHER Star Wars... if Anakin wasnt Darth Vader to be most "fans" wouldnt give a dam about him.... its not the story of Episode I or II most people yearn for... its the getting to know the past of Episodes 4 to 6.
Lucas is getting old and should either retire or drop his CGI mania behind him and make real movies again. Lousy acting in the movies is really spoiling it for mid way fanatics or normal people.
(Yes some people do actually love it as is... but most who love it are doing it for reasons beyond the movie itself... )
Melkor Lord Of ALL!
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If someone wants more info on Dooku and doesn`t want to pick the book, here is a scene that was cut from the script:
"The bronze bust of an elderly bearded man stands among a line of other busts of Jedi in the Archive Room. Obi-Wan stops in front of it, studying the striking features of the chiseled face. On the walls, lighted computer panels seemed to stretch into infinity. Farther along the room in the background, five Jedi are seated at tables, studying archival material.
Obi-Wan studies the bust for a few moments before Madame JOCASTA NU, the Jedi Archivist, comes up and stands next to him. She is an elderly, frail-looking human Jedi dressed in a yellow and brown robe. She’s tough as old boots and smart as a whip.
JOCASTA NU: Did you call for assistance?
OBI-WAN: (slightly distracted) Yes…yes, I did.
Jocasta Nu notices the bust Obi-Wan’s studying.
JOCASTA NU: He has a powerful face, doesn’t he? He was one of the most brilliant Jedi I have had the privilege of knowing.
OBI-WAN: I never understood why he quit. Only twenty Jedi have ever left the Order.
JOCASTA NU: (sigh) “The Lost Twenty”… Count Dooku was the most recent and the most painful. No one likes to talk about it. His leaving was a great loss to the order.
OBI-WAN: What happened?
JOCASTA NU: Well…Count Dooku was always a bit out of step with the decisions of the Council. Much like your old Master, Qui-Gon Jinn.
OBI-WAN: (surprised) Really?
JOCASTA NU: Oh, yes. They were alike in many ways. Very individual thinkers, idealists…
Jocasta Nu gazes at the bust as she speaks.
JOCASTA NU: He was always striving to become a more powerful Jedi. He wanted to be the best. With a lightsaber, in the old style of fencing, he had no match. His knowledge of the Force was…unique. (beat) In the end, I think he left because he lost faith in the Republic. He believed that politics were corrupt, and he felt the Jedi betrayed themselves by serving the politicians. He always had very high expectations of government. He disappeared for nine or ten years, then just showed up recently as the head of the separatist movement.
OBI-WAN: It’s very interesting. I’m not sure I completely understand.
JOCASTA NU: Well, I’m sure you didn’t call me over here for a history lesson. Are you having a problem, Master Kenobi?"
"The bronze bust of an elderly bearded man stands among a line of other busts of Jedi in the Archive Room. Obi-Wan stops in front of it, studying the striking features of the chiseled face. On the walls, lighted computer panels seemed to stretch into infinity. Farther along the room in the background, five Jedi are seated at tables, studying archival material.
Obi-Wan studies the bust for a few moments before Madame JOCASTA NU, the Jedi Archivist, comes up and stands next to him. She is an elderly, frail-looking human Jedi dressed in a yellow and brown robe. She’s tough as old boots and smart as a whip.
JOCASTA NU: Did you call for assistance?
OBI-WAN: (slightly distracted) Yes…yes, I did.
Jocasta Nu notices the bust Obi-Wan’s studying.
JOCASTA NU: He has a powerful face, doesn’t he? He was one of the most brilliant Jedi I have had the privilege of knowing.
OBI-WAN: I never understood why he quit. Only twenty Jedi have ever left the Order.
JOCASTA NU: (sigh) “The Lost Twenty”… Count Dooku was the most recent and the most painful. No one likes to talk about it. His leaving was a great loss to the order.
OBI-WAN: What happened?
JOCASTA NU: Well…Count Dooku was always a bit out of step with the decisions of the Council. Much like your old Master, Qui-Gon Jinn.
OBI-WAN: (surprised) Really?
JOCASTA NU: Oh, yes. They were alike in many ways. Very individual thinkers, idealists…
Jocasta Nu gazes at the bust as she speaks.
JOCASTA NU: He was always striving to become a more powerful Jedi. He wanted to be the best. With a lightsaber, in the old style of fencing, he had no match. His knowledge of the Force was…unique. (beat) In the end, I think he left because he lost faith in the Republic. He believed that politics were corrupt, and he felt the Jedi betrayed themselves by serving the politicians. He always had very high expectations of government. He disappeared for nine or ten years, then just showed up recently as the head of the separatist movement.
OBI-WAN: It’s very interesting. I’m not sure I completely understand.
JOCASTA NU: Well, I’m sure you didn’t call me over here for a history lesson. Are you having a problem, Master Kenobi?"
King_Stannis
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Rashak Mani said:
you know, you can't blame everything on the director. is he supposed to fire natalie portman in the middle of a shoot because he can't coax an academy award winning performance? besides, ewan mcgregor is getting good marks for his obi-wan portrayal. i suppose that had nothing to do with lucas, though. just the bad stuff, right?
man, i never knew we had so many acting coaches going to the movie these days?
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