(OT) Hmmm Star Wars II Seen I Have!

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Eric Noah very well said... those arent first time freshmen... but experienced actors most. Only Ewan shines thru thou...

At least I know episode II will be better than episode I ... that much is predictable... cant get worse than the first one...


Before attacking Lucas anymore I do wonder how much of this lousy film aspects are due to Lucas helpers/aides... commercial intrests and Studio demands... or is Lucas tightly in control of everything and therefore the only one responsible for staining his own movie series ?


As for other sites: www.imdb.com site Rated the original Star Wars series 8.8 / 8.7 / 8.1 Episode I got 6.9 (too high I think) and Ep. II hasnt yet gotten enough votes...
 
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Black Omega said:


Just curious, but aside from salon.com (I presume) what reviews have you found that dissed SW fans? I've been reading reviews while trying to decide if I want to see Ep II or not and so far I've not found a review that says anything bad about the fans of the series.

I just want to point out that the Salon.com article does NOT diss Star Wars fans. It just points out that they are such devout fans of the series that they will ignore many flaws of the films--an observation I think it right on target. Isn't that true of any group of fans?

Anyway, the "mind-numbed lucas robots" comment that King Stannis quotes is nowhere to be found in the Salon review, so it is probably an overgeneralization of his own creation (and thus somewhat misleading when it's quoted in the context of his post).
 
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Wolfspider said:


I just want to point out that the Salon.com article does NOT diss Star Wars fans. It just points out that they are such devout fans of the serious that they will ignore many flaws of the films--an observation I think it right on target. Isn't that true of any group of fans?

Anyway, the "mind-numbed lucas robots" comment that King Stannis quotes is nowhere to be found in the Salon review, so it must be of his own creation (and thus somewhat misleading when it's quoted in the context of his post).

no, the reviewer did not say "mind numbed robots", but in my opinion with reviews such as that, the implication is there. in essence, the reviewers are saying that lucas' SW fans are too stupid to heed the advice of an enlightened viewer and will go to the movie despite the warning given.

but hey, you know what, go and see it yourself. or don't. as of 10:30 tonight, i don't give a damn what you lucas haters think, especially when that logo pops up.

or wait, maybe i'll just scalp my ticket because some wanker over at salon.com said it's a bad movie.
 

Sad but true

King_Stannis said:

but hey, you know what, go and see it yourself. or don't. as of 10:30 tonight, i don't give a damn what you lucas haters think, especially when that logo pops up.

or wait, maybe i'll just scalp my ticket because some wanker over at salon.com said it's a bad movie.
The Haters will hate and the wankers will wank. I can wait to see it, but as a protest, just to show Lucas that I am serious about the movies I watch . I think I'll poke out one of my eyes right before the movie! Yea, That will show him! He owes me the thrill of a lifetime! Yea! After hearing about me he'll make sure that he never Lets me down! Yea! and he'll probably want to give me one of his own eyes, Because he obviously doesn't use both of his! Yea! and then he'll make a movie about how I showed him that he owes Me the best movie experience in the known universe!!!! Boy I can't wait! but I do need SOME INPUT, which EYE should I loose? Please let me known you Hummble opinions ........Eeny Meeny Miney moe
 
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King_Stannis said:


no, the reviewer did not say "mind numbed robots", but in my opinion with reviews such as that, the implication is there. in essence, the reviewers are saying that lucas' SW fans are too stupid to heed the advice of an enlightened viewer and will go to the movie despite the warning given.

I think you're still putting words in the reviewer's mouth.

but hey, you know what, go and see it yourself. or don't. as of 10:30 tonight, i don't give a damn what you lucas haters think, especially when that logo pops up.

As I've said many times before, I don't hate George Lucas or Star Wars. My life would be much diminished if there were no Star Wars. One of my earliest true memories is of going to see Star Wars in Chicago with my best friend Stavaros when I was six years old--the same age my daughter is now.

Can't a person be a fan AND a critic? I love poetry, but I still know when a poem has a flaw or isn't as tightly constructed as it could be. Does that mean I'm a poem-hater? I love a lot of things, but I love them with both my eyes wide open and searching.
 
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I´m with Bonedagger on this...

King Stannis so it might be unfair to Lucas... but beyond bad acting... there are many other Weak parts in the new episodes:

OK... lets look at it:

Lousy Story
How so? The stories presented in Eps I and II are no less plausable, manipulated, coerced or forced onto the screen in all of thier gaudy-glory than the stories presented in Eps IV, V and VI. As a Star Wars fan (not a fanatic, but I like the movies) I am no so fan-boyed out that I fail to realize that Eps IV, V and VI were just as childish, niave, campy and 2-dimentional (in a HERCULES meets FLASH GORDON sort of way).

But in Star Wars, that would be half of the appeal.

Again, see my retort tot he above point. Same thing applies. The plot in Eps I and IOI is no worse than the plots in Eps IV, V and VI. Most people have a higher regard for the plots in the original movies becuase they were barely out of diapers when they saw them. Look at them as stand-alone movies -- on their own merits -- devoid of childhood inocent memories and you will see that thety are all just B-Movies with large budgets.

Jar Jar Binks
Man, does this guy get shafted at every turn. I thought the character was annoying. Then again, I thought the character of C3PO was annoying in every film too. But they both serve thier purposes. Jar Jar was a clown in Ep. I, in Ep. II, he is a tragic and pitiable character that unknowingly hammers the final nail in the coffin of the Republic...

Silly Ideas like Force being genetic and the virgin birth thing...
Keep in mind that Lucas uses many epic, legendary themes in all of his story-telling. According to legend, one prominant religious leader was born of an Elephant impergnated by a Lotus Flower... this was/is believed as dogmatic truth by millions. The virgin birth, I give you, was odd; and I would have prefered to have left the Force as a mystical and magical (instead of a scientific) thing. But it all fits in witht eh same campy feel of the entire series.

Over use of Computer Graphics
Six of one, half dozen fo the the other. I could care less what tool is used to get the look and feel that are desired. If you want to hammer in your nails with a pipe-wrench, as long as they are all in place and look decent, I don't care. I fail to see how the man's choice of tool has anything at all to do with the final product. I all looked very good to me.

Jar Jar Binks
This again!?

Music wasnt up to standard...
In Ep. I, I will grant you that I felt the music was a bit sub-par (at least as far as Star Wars music goes). But it was not too distracting. Ep. II, however, I thought was excellent. The hint of the Imperial Theme was about perfect.

Did I mention Jar Jar Binks ?
Too many times, yes.

When somebody says So and So movie sequel number 2 and 3 was lousy nobody complains... but if its Star Wars its untouchable ?
Not at all. You don;t have to like it. But I think most people that are going to lambast something had better be able to back it up. :-)

It seems its merits are more of being an action movie... not good scifi. Eye catcher and so.
its merits are being a good Star Wars film. Star Wars is not even really Sci-Fi. It is Space-Fantasy. It is a Fantasy film set tot he backdrop of Science Fiction. It is a B-Movie with a big budget.

Treat Attack of the Clones (ironic title in my view) as a stand by itself movie and it wont stand by itself...
In my opinion, none of the Star Wars films do. But they are all fun. ANd that is all I ask of my ticket price -- entertain me. I was entertained. Well more than my ticket price even. With all 5 of the current installments.
 

There's a big difference between "hating Lucas" and not liking one of his films. I think I liked Lucas better, though, when he put someone else in charge of the writing and directing.
 

Wolfspider said:



..Can't a person be a fan AND a critic? I love poetry, but I still know when a poem has a flaw or isn't as tightly constructed as it could be. Does that mean I'm a poem-hater? I love a lot of things, but I love them with both my eyes wide open and searching.

of course you can, but you've been beating this drum for months now - before you've actually seen the movie! if you're any fan at all, don't you think lucas deserves the benefit of the doubt to walk in with at the very least a blank slate? even if you hated episode I, that's still 3 good movies vs 1 bad one - in your opinion. after all, he's not forcing you to see this movie at gunpoint! if his creation has brought you so much joy over the years, why are you attacking his creation before seeing it? why are you lending credence to reviewers who could care less about the series and probably secretly despise it's fans over the opinions of those very same fans? and yes, i believe what i said earlier - a lot of professional reviewers look down on star wars and it's fans because they've made their opionions irrelevent when it comes to this movie series.

as i said, do what you will. if you don't go, i have a suspicion you're going to miss a pretty good film.
 

EricNoah said:
There's a big difference between "hating Lucas" and not liking one of his films. I think I liked Lucas better, though, when he put someone else in charge of the writing and directing.

Heh... I'm of a similar mind, but almost from the opposite side.

I dislike Lucas but I am predisposed to liking his movies-- despite the mammoth marketing juggernaut I despise. I'm a little to close to the fire in my professional life, I guess, to have much respect for Lucas(film).


Wulf
 

It rocks

Let me start by saying that yes I am a StarWars fan which means anyone who doens't like the series or enjoys tearing things down can go ahead and disregard this review.

I keep hearing people complain about the acting. I guess I would like someone to find me an outstanding performance in any of the Star Wars movies. Let's face it, the Star Wars films are a story driven movie and acting has always come third to the story and effects. It's not the Godfather. Never has been, never will be.

With that said I think it's fantastic. I went in with high expectations due to the trailers I have seen. and I came out of thier blown away. And not just because of the last half of the movie as I hear so many people saying. I thought all of the new eye candy was great throughout the whole movie. The scenes and story I found great...yes even the first half of the movie.

As far as I'm concerened Lucas was kinda hosed from the get-go. If he focues on the love story too intensely everyone would have thrown a fit. So I think he touched on it in away that kept action fans into the movie yet didn't go the route of Titanic.

I'm really not sure what my favorite part of the movie was. I was thrilled by the whole thing. But I did enjoy the way it has these subtle nods to westerns.

I'm a big john Wayne and western movie fan in general (that should tell you what I know about acting...next to nothing, lol). And I loved the way they did things like focus on Mace's boots as he walks towards the arena. And they way they throw there cloaks over there sides like they're clearing thier drawing hands (similar to what Qui-Gon and Obi do when they first start to battle with Darth Maul). I like that gunslinger type of mentality.

I did enjoy EP1 but this one actually felt like Star Wars. It captured the flavor of the original trilogy better. When I came out of that theatre I felt like I had seen a Star Wars movie and not a fantasy flick using Star wars characters...the tone was just right to me. Do yourself a favor and go see it. I think you'll be surprised. See it yourslef and then judge.
 

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