(OT) Hmmm Star Wars II Seen I Have!

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King_Stannis said:


of course you can, but you've been beating this drum for months now - before you've actually seen the movie! if you're any fan at all, don't you think lucas deserves the benefit of the doubt to walk in with at the very least a blank slate? even if you hated episode I, that's still 3 good movies vs 1 bad one - in your opinion. after all, he's not forcing you to see this movie at gunpoint! if his creation has brought you so much joy over the years, why are you attacking his creation before seeing it? why are you lending credence to reviewers who could care less about the series and probably secretly despise it's fans over the opinions of those very same fans? and yes, i believe what i said earlier - a lot of professional reviewers look down on star wars and it's fans because they've made their opionions irrelevent when it comes to this movie series.

as i said, do what you will. if you don't go, i have a suspicion you're going to miss a pretty good film.

I don't recall attacking Episode II. Please point out a post where I've said that Episode II is a bad film. I haven't even seen it yet--to say it was bad would be silly. I'm merely said that, because of the poor quality of Episode I, I was a bit leery of seeing Episode II and wanted to make sure that I read a lot of reviews about it before making my decision whether or not to see it.

William Wordsworth wrote some of the greatest poetry in the English language during the first part of his life. During the latter half, he wrote some of the worst. Past artistic performance is no guarantee of the quality of the work you do later on--although many people do rest on their laurels.
 

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Re: It rocks

Wild Karrde said:
Let me start by saying that yes I am a StarWars fan which means anyone who doens't like the series or enjoys tearing things down can go ahead and disregard this review.

I keep hearing people complain about the acting. I guess I would like someone to find me an outstanding performance in any of the Star Wars movies. Let's face it, the Star Wars films are a story driven movie and acting has always come third to the story and effects. It's not the Godfather. Never has been, never will be...


thank you. i wanted to make this point, but you've done so more eloquently than i.
 

Well, I'm of the opinion that acting and character and plot are important parts of any film, and I agree with one reviewer that these elements are now seen as "antique" by many film makers. While I agree that the acting in the first Star Wars trilogy wasn't great, it was adequate. Some performances were good, others poor, but in general everyone seemed competent. Not so with Episode I and--if some reviews are to be believed--Episode II.

I've come to the point in my life where eye candy just doesn't satisfy me much any more if there isn't something more to back it up.
 
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Re: It rocks

Wild Karrde said:
Let me start by saying that yes I am a StarWars fan which means anyone who doens't like the series or enjoys tearing things down can go ahead and disregard this review.

I did enjoy EP1...

Ok, NOW we can go ahead and disregard this review.
 

George Lucas is to SW what Brannon Braga is to Star Trek. Good ideas, bad writing.

That said, the writing is just as lousy in the old movies. I say those as someone who didn't saw his first Star Wars movie until I was 12 and I had just seen Jurassic Park then.

I simply didn't like it. I didn't hate it, but it just didn't have the things that I wanted in a movie (a good story (the weirder the better) and some 'kewl' factor (I was twelve, although I don't turn it down now any less:) )). I saw ESB and RotJ later and liked them much better, ESB being one of my fav movies ever, but if it wasn't for the talent of Alec Guinness and the charisma of Harrison Ford, it would be just BAD.

Now Ep1 had some problems (and is currently my least fav SW movie) and so did Ep2 (which I saw a week ago), but the actual plot of the new movies is much thicker than of the originals. The biggest 'twist' in the OT is Han's freezing.

I rewatched ANH with my dad about an year ago. He saw it during the original release of it here in Iceland back in 78 (he was in late 20s then) and loved it, but he never saw any of the other movies until ep1. All he said was that he'd remembered it as better.
 


Joker said:
I don't get it, now mind you I haven't seen it yet so I don't know what really happens and I'm probably going to get sniped by some SW-fan(atic), but as I've heard there is a large battle at the end. Why? Why would they have such close combat? I mean, even in the present, most countries that can afford it just cruise-missile their "enemies" from afar.

So why do they put their troops at such risks. Wouldn't it be more like:

Leuitenant: "Emperor, there are four-hundred Jedi's waiting on the surface below calling us out to fight and saying that your mom is a yeti."

Chief guy: "Nuke em."

Leuitenant: "Done sir, shall we continue with the next planet."

Granted, I haven't seen the movie so I don't know jack. Plus, no-one wants to see a war of attrition or inter-galactic missiles flying back and forth. We wanna see killin!

Tata.

Because battles are won by men fighting hand to hand with personal weapons. Launching nuclear missles and such at each other is fine but if you actually want to occupy and use the areas your enemy holds then you must eliminate the enemy while keeping the infrastructure intact.

That's actually a paraphrased quote from an old sci-fi writer. He wrote that in 1955 but it is still relevant today.


Anyway as to the movie I haven't seen it yet but some friends of mine won tickets to the first screening here in London and were very pleased with the film. Some groaner lines (like all the rest of the movies haven't had those) but watching Anakin fall so steadily towards the dark side is very well handled (in their opinion - which I would value far and above any critic trying to be 'edgy' and get more visits to their website :rolleyes: )

Also they felt that the chemisrty between Portman and Haydensen was very good and the interaction between ObiWan and Anakin was the strongest point of the movie.

They rated it just below Empire in ranking (basically tied with New Hope). They are both big Star Wars fans but were a little dissapointed with Phantom Menace. Myself, i won't be seeing it unless I get free tickets or when it comes to the $4.00 theater.
 

I saw a midnight showing, and I thought the movie was absolutely wonderful. I paid to see a Star Wars movie, and I definitely saw a Star Wars movie.

I'll post a few comments now (some SPOILERS, obviously), and perhaps add a few things to it later:

- Temuera Morrison delivered a solid performance as Jango Fett, making the character more than just a faceless bounty hunter with kick-ass body armor.

- Though his role was small, Jack Thompson (as Cliegg Lars) was cool and, IMO, very believable.

- I liked McGregor's portrayal of Obi-Wan. The older, wiser Kenobi is better in this film (not that he was bad in Episode I). I'm interested to see how he evolves in Episode III and eventually becomes the old hermit 'Ben Kenobi,' carefully watching over young Luke from afar. I know what happens, in general, in regard to the story... I simply think it'll be interesting to see the final stage of the "young" pre-Episode IV Obi-Wan.

- While the acting and dialogue may not be Oscar caliber, I didn't find it to be as stilted and cheesy as some reviewers claim. Of course, most Star Wars fans are more forgiving than casual viewers, though this holds true with any franchise -- for example, I thought some of the lines in Fellowship of the Ring were a bit awkward, particularly from Legolas and Gimli or during the infamous Galadriel scene, though I have friends who found no fault with said performances.

NOTE: I'm not trying to start a Star Wars vs. LotR discussion, as I immensely enjoy them both. The prequels and the 'Rings simply have a certain commonality (very large fan base, highly anticipated, high expectations, etc.), which is why I used it as an example.

- The romance is awkward, as many people have pointed out. The doesn't mean it's awful. Realistically, it should be awkward. It involves two young people who had to grow up too much, too fast, and apparently, this is the first REAL relationship either has fallen into. In fact, it seems painfully obvious in many ways that Anakin still hasn't grown up, which undoubtedly contributes to his decent to the Dark Side.

- Romance aside, I thought Christensen did a good job portraying Anakin's arrogance, restlessness, anger, and confusion. Could it have been better? Perhaps. But it was far from terrible.

- Everyone catch Qui-Gon's "No, Anakin, No!" when he started slaughtering the Tusken raiders? A nice touch.

- Jar Jar's screen time was minimal, and the brief time he was given really didn't bother me. It was almost pitiful seeing how easily Palpatine played off his slow wit and need for approval.

- 3PO had some lines which could definitely be chalked up as serious groaners. However, I still found myself genuinely laughing. I'm not sure how well his hijinks will hold up in repeat viewings (or if they would've worked in any other setting besides Star Wars), but for the initial screening, IMO, they did work.

- Artoo still rules the school behind the scenes, mostly unbeknownst to the frontline players. Assuming his unrecognized heroics continue in Episode III, IMO, he is the glue of the entire Star Wars saga. I love it.

- Though Christopher Lee's role wasn't quite as large as I had hoped, at least it appears he will be returning in Episode III. Sounds good to me. Oh, and I liked the curved saber handle.

- Mace Windu's flip off the ledge to avoid Fett's flamethrower was totally money. While decending, he still had time to discard his singed robes and deflect a few blaster bolts. Too sweet.

- I can't say much about Yoda that hasn't been said already. Wow. Despite what people think of this film, that fight sequence will easily become one of the all-time greatest Star Wars moments. It was also interesting to see him take up the role of battlefield general.

This weekend, I'll be watching it again, but this time through digital projection. I'm anxious to see how it looks.
 
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I thought it was simply amazing. If you don't like it. well that is your right.


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