[OT, Movies] Saw the trailer for Episode II last night . . .
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Yeah, I heard from some insiders that hated 'Phantom Menace' with a vengeance that they actually liked the Episode 2 script.
The writer that did a lot of writing on "Young Indiana Jones" helped George on the Ep2 script. Forgot his name. I'll give George points for being able to see he needed help after Ep1.
Hopefully George's rusty directing skills have been warmed up after the hideous Ep1. So even after seeing all the Trailers for 'Attack of the Clones", I think its possible that it can be a good movie.
But I said, "possible".
George's track record however shows evidence that his ability as a writer/director are going downhill.
If Episode 2 turns out nice, I'll be pleasantly surprised.
But it won't change my opinion of Ep1. Its still a poor film. Not as bad as "The Musketeer" , but it was still bad movie making .
When I Episode 1 was about to come out I kept hearing inside industry rumors that it sucked. Of course I refused to believe it, I thought it was just a bunch of people that were too over-hyped with unrealistic expectations. So ignored them. Unfortunately, they were right.
But this time, I'm hearing actual good buzz from those who have read the script. Hope that means its gonna be good. Still not 100% sure, but its a nice sign I suppose.
Regardless, I'm still boycotting the first week for sure.
The writer that did a lot of writing on "Young Indiana Jones" helped George on the Ep2 script. Forgot his name. I'll give George points for being able to see he needed help after Ep1.
Hopefully George's rusty directing skills have been warmed up after the hideous Ep1. So even after seeing all the Trailers for 'Attack of the Clones", I think its possible that it can be a good movie.
But I said, "possible".
George's track record however shows evidence that his ability as a writer/director are going downhill.
If Episode 2 turns out nice, I'll be pleasantly surprised.
But it won't change my opinion of Ep1. Its still a poor film. Not as bad as "The Musketeer" , but it was still bad movie making .
When I Episode 1 was about to come out I kept hearing inside industry rumors that it sucked. Of course I refused to believe it, I thought it was just a bunch of people that were too over-hyped with unrealistic expectations. So ignored them. Unfortunately, they were right.
But this time, I'm hearing actual good buzz from those who have read the script. Hope that means its gonna be good. Still not 100% sure, but its a nice sign I suppose.
Regardless, I'm still boycotting the first week for sure.
Wild Karrde
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I will be there the first week probably on the first day to see the first showing. I'm a huge Star Wars fan but by no means a fanboy.
Yet I don't go out of my way to find out any info on the script. I avoid all the spoilers I can except those released by Lucasfilm (such as the trailer), so as not to set myself up for dissapointment and unrealistic expectations before I actually see the movie.
With that said I have been a long time subscriber to the Insider and they tease you with info., just enough to wet your appetite but not enough to give anything away. Now they have released three trailers to date, only two of which went to the theater. The newest and longest does play up on the love angle but that does not mean that this only a love story. It's called marketing and this is there way of pulling in the female population.
The other two trailers were more action oriented and you can bet we will be treated to at least one more trailer before the movie is released. All this is besides the fact that it's Star Wars and it's titled Attack of the Clones....it doesn't take a PhD to realize there might be a little action in it.
I also liked EP.
Quotes:
"Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering"
"Always two there are a master and an apprentice"
"We'll take the long way"
"Your focus determines your reality"
Also I can't remember the exact wording but when he tells Obi-Wan to not focus on his anxiety keeps his focus on the here and now, and Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan have that little dialogue about the different aspects of the force...that is setting us up for something important, believe it. Just like when Yoda complains to Obi's spirit about Lukeand how he is always looking to the future.
Those are all just off the top of my head there were some others I thorougly enjoyed. All I can say is oppinions are like...well maybe I can't say that but if you don't like it, just do like what so many are saying and don't see it. Although I have to laugh at the, "I'm boycotting the first week", people. Oh yeah that'll show'em, way to stick to your guns. If you really don't want to see it then don't see it. Boycotting the movie opening week isn't going to make a bit of difference. Take the stance that some did and don't see it at all. That's a real message.
Yet I don't go out of my way to find out any info on the script. I avoid all the spoilers I can except those released by Lucasfilm (such as the trailer), so as not to set myself up for dissapointment and unrealistic expectations before I actually see the movie.
With that said I have been a long time subscriber to the Insider and they tease you with info., just enough to wet your appetite but not enough to give anything away. Now they have released three trailers to date, only two of which went to the theater. The newest and longest does play up on the love angle but that does not mean that this only a love story. It's called marketing and this is there way of pulling in the female population.
The other two trailers were more action oriented and you can bet we will be treated to at least one more trailer before the movie is released. All this is besides the fact that it's Star Wars and it's titled Attack of the Clones....it doesn't take a PhD to realize there might be a little action in it.
I also liked EP.
Quotes:
"Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering"
"Always two there are a master and an apprentice"
"We'll take the long way"
"Your focus determines your reality"
Also I can't remember the exact wording but when he tells Obi-Wan to not focus on his anxiety keeps his focus on the here and now, and Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan have that little dialogue about the different aspects of the force...that is setting us up for something important, believe it. Just like when Yoda complains to Obi's spirit about Lukeand how he is always looking to the future.
Those are all just off the top of my head there were some others I thorougly enjoyed. All I can say is oppinions are like...well maybe I can't say that but if you don't like it, just do like what so many are saying and don't see it. Although I have to laugh at the, "I'm boycotting the first week", people. Oh yeah that'll show'em, way to stick to your guns. If you really don't want to see it then don't see it. Boycotting the movie opening week isn't going to make a bit of difference. Take the stance that some did and don't see it at all. That's a real message.
Wolfspider said:
Hey, Anakin was just a kid! That's what kids say!
(Personally, I think Amidala had some good lines.) Phantom Menance was my least favorite, though Return of the Jedi my fav. The series revels in good, pulpy space-opera styled dialogue. Anything else is nostalgia, IMO.To those who have issue with Anakin/Vader not sounding, well, Vaderish...this is one of the few characters (if not the only character, I'm guessing) in the entirety of the on-screen story who shows an evolution of character. You have the innocent yet tech-savy slave child who is whisked away to be taught to use the force - taught at an older age than any other Jedi so understandably less able to 'get it', what the force means and how to connect with it. Instead, he'll see it as power, as a way to change things, a way to force his will to make things better. But this will conflict with the Jedi way, and will cause him to class with his peers. Eventually, 'better' becomes revenge. We're going to see him struggle with a love he cannot have, and then have what remains of his nobility crushed when he is swayed to the darkside, eventually transforming him into the Darth Vader we know and love. A Vader much older than the willful, sometimes petulant Anakin who has had years of hardship and cruelty to shape him.
No other character is going to make that kind of transformation. Sure, Luke looses the farmboy shtick to become more independent, more focused, but Leia is Leia, Han is Han, Chewy is Chewy, Yoda is Yoda. These are stories about people affecting change, for the most part, not changing themselves. Vader is decided out of step with that.
If he was nothing but bad-ass from beginning to end, it would make him an abysmally boring villain. I'm looking forward to the time where I'll be able to sit down and watch eppies 1-6 all at once and then feel even more empathy, more tragedy, when Vader dies at the end - because we'll all understand just how much he's suffered, how many rash and wrong decisions he has made, and how much it has cost him. I think Anakin/Vader is the one character that can pull the franchise out from being a mere (yet great) space opera series into something else, something a little deeper.
Ashtal - all IMO, YMMV of course, but will likely see E2 during the first week, if not the night of, because it's the geeky thing to do.
Gargoyle
Adventurer
I'll admit to being a drooling Star Wars fanboy who thinks Lucas is a (fallible) genius.
My suggestions to enjoy the new movies, assuming that's what you want to do, are:
1. Don't read spoilers - Stay away from the web sites and magazines. I'll always regret seeing that damn track on the Episode I soundtrack - The Funeral of Qui Gonn Jinn. What were they thinking?
2. Don't let your expectations soar- It's going to be good, not earthshaking. The original trilogy (with the possible exception of ROTJ) isn't likely to be topped by anyone, even Lucas.
3. Remember who the audience is - Not everything in the movie is geared toward your demographic. Star Wars will always be for kids too.
4. Don't expect Academy Award acting - The emphasis is on the plot and effects, not dramatic acting. Expect some bad acting in fact.
5. Don't take it too seriously - Any movie titled "Attack of the Clones" doesn't take itself entirely seriously. It's really pulp fiction at heart.
One gripe I have about Lucas is his tendency to want to explain everything. This habit mars some aspects of the original trilogy in the special edition. For example, the wampa on Hoth was more terrifying when you didn't see it, Jabba was more interesting in Ep 4 when he was unseen. Almost nobody likes the explanation of miti-chlorians in Ep 1. The movies would have been fine without these "explanations" and sometimes a mystery should remain just that.
My suggestions to enjoy the new movies, assuming that's what you want to do, are:
1. Don't read spoilers - Stay away from the web sites and magazines. I'll always regret seeing that damn track on the Episode I soundtrack - The Funeral of Qui Gonn Jinn. What were they thinking?
2. Don't let your expectations soar- It's going to be good, not earthshaking. The original trilogy (with the possible exception of ROTJ) isn't likely to be topped by anyone, even Lucas.
3. Remember who the audience is - Not everything in the movie is geared toward your demographic. Star Wars will always be for kids too.
4. Don't expect Academy Award acting - The emphasis is on the plot and effects, not dramatic acting. Expect some bad acting in fact.
5. Don't take it too seriously - Any movie titled "Attack of the Clones" doesn't take itself entirely seriously. It's really pulp fiction at heart.
One gripe I have about Lucas is his tendency to want to explain everything. This habit mars some aspects of the original trilogy in the special edition. For example, the wampa on Hoth was more terrifying when you didn't see it, Jabba was more interesting in Ep 4 when he was unseen. Almost nobody likes the explanation of miti-chlorians in Ep 1. The movies would have been fine without these "explanations" and sometimes a mystery should remain just that.
Wild Karrde wrote:
Well, there's 2 reasons why I'm boycotting the first week.
1.) Main reason, I want to read reviews and hear some feedback before I decide to give a look. I'm not going in on blind faith with this one. If after a week people are saying that its totally awesome, then heck yeah, I'm going to go see it. But if people are saying that its as bad as Episode 1, then I'll decide to not see it all......period. Okay, maybe for rent when it hits the video store. Maybe not even that.
2.) Actually, there is a difference that can be made from only boycotting the first week. Its called 'opening week' ticket sales. The first sign a film maker looks at to see how his film is doing.
All fans know the power the Star Wars franchise has over the fans. Disappointed or not, it will draw that core audience no matter what. Its going to make huge amounts of money no matter what. So as far as money is concerned, there is no way George is going to learn his lesson right?
A child puts his hand on a stove and gets burned. His burnt hand is the consequence of his action. He learns not to do that again.
George makes a poor addition to the Star Wars franchise and lots of fans hate it. But he still makes a lot of money because fans (disappointed or not) will go see Ep2 anyways. So how is he going to learn from his mistake if he still is going to profit regardless?
Most disappointed fanboys know this, so any crusade they feel like taking (such as boycotting) feels like a hopeless one. They think to themselves, "I can boycott this movie entirely as a protest to Ep1, but what's the point? George is still going to make tons of cash. My boycott is going to mean diddly squat." So with that mentality, the go to , "Ah heck, since I can't make a difference anyways, I might as well go see it I guess. It might be good........"
So yeah you're right, that is funny. Its that lack of discipline to carry out your protest. The "Force" is powerful indeed eh?
So for those of you who can't resist the 'pull' but yet still want to make a protest against Ep1's poor quality, 'boycotting the first week' is a compromise. The other fans that are boycotting the film altogether (never seeing until maybe on video) are very very rare. They know they can't convince even others that have felt the same way about Ep1 to boycott entirely like them. So they would settle on them at least boycotting the first week. At least that way .....maybe, just maybe......George will show up to his office on Monday morning after the first weekend and get his 'first weekend' ticket sales report and notice that its almost half that of 'Phantom Menace'. We're hoping that'll make him flinch a bit. The slap on the back of his hand disappointed fans wanted to give George for so long. Because that's the only small thing we seem to be able to do. Star Wars is a juggernaut, our puny spears will do nothing to it. But hey.....a small victory is better than none eh?
Uhm....I don't don't see how that is a cool line. <shrug> But I'll agree with the other ones you've listed. Those were nice.
Well, there's 2 reasons why I'm boycotting the first week.
1.) Main reason, I want to read reviews and hear some feedback before I decide to give a look. I'm not going in on blind faith with this one. If after a week people are saying that its totally awesome, then heck yeah, I'm going to go see it. But if people are saying that its as bad as Episode 1, then I'll decide to not see it all......period. Okay, maybe for rent when it hits the video store. Maybe not even that.
2.) Actually, there is a difference that can be made from only boycotting the first week. Its called 'opening week' ticket sales. The first sign a film maker looks at to see how his film is doing.
All fans know the power the Star Wars franchise has over the fans. Disappointed or not, it will draw that core audience no matter what. Its going to make huge amounts of money no matter what. So as far as money is concerned, there is no way George is going to learn his lesson right?
A child puts his hand on a stove and gets burned. His burnt hand is the consequence of his action. He learns not to do that again.
George makes a poor addition to the Star Wars franchise and lots of fans hate it. But he still makes a lot of money because fans (disappointed or not) will go see Ep2 anyways. So how is he going to learn from his mistake if he still is going to profit regardless?
Most disappointed fanboys know this, so any crusade they feel like taking (such as boycotting) feels like a hopeless one. They think to themselves, "I can boycott this movie entirely as a protest to Ep1, but what's the point? George is still going to make tons of cash. My boycott is going to mean diddly squat." So with that mentality, the go to , "Ah heck, since I can't make a difference anyways, I might as well go see it I guess. It might be good........"
So yeah you're right, that is funny. Its that lack of discipline to carry out your protest. The "Force" is powerful indeed eh?
So for those of you who can't resist the 'pull' but yet still want to make a protest against Ep1's poor quality, 'boycotting the first week' is a compromise. The other fans that are boycotting the film altogether (never seeing until maybe on video) are very very rare. They know they can't convince even others that have felt the same way about Ep1 to boycott entirely like them. So they would settle on them at least boycotting the first week. At least that way .....maybe, just maybe......George will show up to his office on Monday morning after the first weekend and get his 'first weekend' ticket sales report and notice that its almost half that of 'Phantom Menace'. We're hoping that'll make him flinch a bit. The slap on the back of his hand disappointed fans wanted to give George for so long. Because that's the only small thing we seem to be able to do. Star Wars is a juggernaut, our puny spears will do nothing to it. But hey.....a small victory is better than none eh?
Uhm....I don't don't see how that is a cool line. <shrug> But I'll agree with the other ones you've listed. Those were nice.
Some guy from Ohio
First Post
Lucas said on the Fisher interview that he liked the end results for his movies that did not do well, such as Howard the Duck. In a studio system, the first week box office is usualy important but Lucas bankrolls all of this himself. If he is happy with the end result, it won't matter if no one ever shows up. This is one of the reasons he fled Hollywood and created Skywalker ranch. More power to him. It's his art.
Wild Karrde
First Post
Fenros said:
I guess on its own it's not that great of a line but in the context of the movie I like it because it's letting you know that the jedis know that there is another one (as the camera pans towards you know who).
As for the boycott. It reminds me of a few months ago when gas prices were so high and people were getting together and asking people no to get gas on a certain day of the month. So what, big deal. You're still gonna get gas tomorrow and the end result is the exact same.
Wether Lucas has a 70 million dollar opening week and a 50 million dollar second week, or a 65 million dollar opening week and a 55 million dollar second week it's all the same. (Numbers were pulled out of thin air in case you're wondering).
Just something to think about but not really worth losing sleep over. My main point in the original post was:
1) Don't be totally fooled by the trailer you are seeing now.
2) I like EP1 and didn't think it was terrible in fact I liked it very much. Was it perfect no, but what movie is?
3) If you want to make a statement don't spend any money on it. If you pay the first week or you pay the second week it's all relative.
4) I will be there opening night
madriel
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OK so those of you who are big fans of Star Wars (I am too but I've altered my reality so that there are only 3 movies ) check out these two guys
http://www.waitingforstarwars.com/
as far as boycott goes I plan on seeing Ep2 when it hits the cheap theaters in town - on half price night
SHould be by the summer
And I have no delusions that Ep2 won't meet or surpass TPM's total ticket sales and make Lucas a(nother) fortune but the only way I have to speak here is with my wallet.
) check out these two guyshttp://www.waitingforstarwars.com/
as far as boycott goes I plan on seeing Ep2 when it hits the cheap theaters in town - on half price night
SHould be by the summer
And I have no delusions that Ep2 won't meet or surpass TPM's total ticket sales and make Lucas a(nother) fortune but the only way I have to speak here is with my wallet.
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