So you dislike 3e...Why post here?
- Thread starter Tuerny
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No, although I think you have a particular type of poster in mind when you wrote that.
The blind spots of some of the 3E enthusiasts on this board rival those of the older edition trolls - especially the ones who don't recognise that D&D's tropes, archetypes, norms, inspirational material, idea content and intellectual property are more important to the game than how you determine "to hit". This kind of enthusiast ascribes too much weight to hard rules as definitive proof of the worth of the game, and not enough to the softer stuff that also makes D&D D&D...again, and again, and again.
To read the posts of some on this board, you'd think that d20 might have succeeded to this degree in it's own right as a bland "universal" ruleset, rather than piggybacking D&D all the way. On the topic of trolls, many a 3E enthusiast feels that they must show how much they dislike the past of the game in order to flagwave enough for the present edition - despite the fact that oD&D, 1E and 2E provided the intellectual property grist for the mill of 3E, and some of the blind 3E enthusiasts cannot see that the idea/culture foundation of the game in beholders, vorpal swords, adventuring as a gameplay framework, fireballs, default D&D setting assumptions, dungeon crawls etc. mean as much, if not more to D&D than the much-ballyhooed universal resolution mechanic. There are plenty of games that can boast that...and only D&D is D&D.
I get something out of D&D's flavour, inspiration factor and archetypes just as I get something out of d20's mechanics, but I commonly see what I consider a skewed relative sense of worth between them - among enthusiasts from any edition. I don't see that as being trollish against the 3E status quo, but rather, playing devil's advocate in the face of a whole lot of groupthink.
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I'm someone who doesn't really like the D&D rules. I find 3ed tolerable, and totally refuse to play the previous editions.
For me, it is mostly the stereotyping and inflexibility in the rules system that I dislike. The overly complex and sometimes just plain broken rules also bother me, especially when people who have never played any other system say the system is simple.
The system isn't simple. You've got things like computing bonuses that do or don't stack, DR, weapon enhancment bonuses, bonus damage dice, elemental damage, and AoO that make combat quite a bit more complex. The feats just add more complexity into an already complex situation.
I do play 3e D&D. That is the main reason I visit these boards. I also occationally hope for something on the general board that is more generic. Sometimes there are a couple of topics that are, such as the non-RPG sources thread.
I don't troll. I've got better things to do with my life than get into a flame war with a fanatic. When the tone stays civil, I'll talk about other systems and other ways of doing things. When there gets to be too much of "...but don't you realize 3E is the best answer to any campaign", I tend to drop it.
For me, it is mostly the stereotyping and inflexibility in the rules system that I dislike. The overly complex and sometimes just plain broken rules also bother me, especially when people who have never played any other system say the system is simple.
The system isn't simple. You've got things like computing bonuses that do or don't stack, DR, weapon enhancment bonuses, bonus damage dice, elemental damage, and AoO that make combat quite a bit more complex. The feats just add more complexity into an already complex situation.
I do play 3e D&D. That is the main reason I visit these boards. I also occationally hope for something on the general board that is more generic. Sometimes there are a couple of topics that are, such as the non-RPG sources thread.
I don't troll. I've got better things to do with my life than get into a flame war with a fanatic. When the tone stays civil, I'll talk about other systems and other ways of doing things. When there gets to be too much of "...but don't you realize 3E is the best answer to any campaign", I tend to drop it.
Stone Angel
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Hey Jaws perhaps we should start a club. The 3etards unite. Maybe we will get a discount at Hardee's or something.
I'm sometimes surprised that older editions aren't discussed more here - although that may be mainly my own fault. I'd certainly welcome it.
While I am definitely a 3E fan, I do sometimes have twinges of nostalgia for older editions. Each edition is a different game, and each has its own flavour. I'm even considering playing the occasional 1E/2E game, although I know I prefer 3E generally.
While I am definitely a 3E fan, I do sometimes have twinges of nostalgia for older editions. Each edition is a different game, and each has its own flavour. I'm even considering playing the occasional 1E/2E game, although I know I prefer 3E generally.
Lisa Nadazdy
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Some of us like other systems better, but that in no way is to disparage D&D. Everyone has favorites.
bloodymage
House Ruler
One in particular, I've been trying to teach better manners to. Forgive him for he knows not what he wroughts.
Your welcome.
You can thank me for introducing the term here, but I didn't coin it and if I ever use it seriously it's only for the seriously rabid. AFAIK, the person who coined it is rabid, profane, insulting and runs a board that is probably unhealthy for 3e folks. Shoot, it's likely unhealthy for anyone who breathes!
Mark
CreativeMountainGames.com
bloodymage said:
I must know...
As one of the old timers, grognard prior to when D&D was first released in the early/mid-seventies, I can't honestly say that I've ever been rabid about any system or game. I like to play and d20/3E allows for the most oportunities. Bottom line is that any game or system is what you can make it and the more time you spend decrying another system, the less time you are actually making the one you play better.
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