Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds - Season 3 Viewing (Spoilers)

[James Gasik]

Enemy Mine (the novella, 1979) predates The Return of Starbuck (Galactica 1980, 1980), which predates Enemy Mine (film, 1985).

And that novella won the Hugo and the Nebula awards, so it wasn't obscure at the time. Base credit to Barry Longyear.

I stand corrected! Should have done more research, lol.

 

[Umbran]

I stand corrected! Should have done more research, lol.

It is actually okay - you asked a question rather than make an assertion.

 

[Mort]

And I don't think Burnam was anywhere near ready for the Captain's chair. They had a good thing of having the main protagonist not be the captain for once, and then ruined even that.

Yeah, that was really odd.

They make it a point to show that she's terrible at 2 critical "captain" skills 1) taking input from her crew, she almost always goes with her own plan and 2) even worse at delegating, she generally leaves the truly dangerous stuff for herself, exactly what a captain should not be doing.

They make it a point to showcase these traits AND to point out that they're not a good thing.

Yet, they rush her into the captain's chair regardless. It was a bit frustrating to watch.

 

[Umbran]

Yet, they rush her into the captain's chair regardless. It was a bit frustrating to watch.

Especially when Doug Jones was sooo good, and they had the whole fearful to fearless dynamic for him as a leadership development arc.

But, also, this thread's about SNW, not Disco, so... to at least continue thematically on captains...

How are folks taking the slow-slide-in of Kirk? I am... a bit mixed on it. I think the actor's pretty good - his bit in Space Adventure Hour was inspired - but find the storyline... awkward, I guess?

 

[Micah Sweet]

Yeah, that was really odd.

They make it a point to show that she's terrible at 2 critical "captain" skills 1) taking input from her crew, she almost always goes with her own plan and 2) even worse at delegating, she generally leaves the truly dangerous stuff for herself, exactly what a captain should not be doing.

They make it a point to showcase these traits AND to point out that they're not a good thing.

Yet, they rush her into the captain's chair regardless. It was a bit frustrating to watch.

They had people complain to her about it, but did they actually show anything not working out? Any lasting negatives consequences to her command decisions? Seems to me the show pretty consistently proved her right.

 

[Mort]

Especially when Doug Jones was sooo good, and they had the whole fearful to fearless dynamic for him as a leadership development arc.

But, also, this thread's about SNW, not Disco, so... to at least continue thematically on captains...

How are folks taking the slow-slide-in of Kirk? I am... a bit mixed on it. I think the actor's pretty good - his bit in Space Adventure Hour was inspired - but find the storyline... awkward, I guess?

 

[Mort]

They had people complain to her about it, but did they actually show anything not working out? Any lasting negatives consequences to her command decisions? Seems to me the show pretty consistently proved her right.

That's kind of the point. Other than the really big blip at the beginning, the writers weren't really willing to hold her to account - she's "always right..." and that gets irritating too.

But to link with this thread. When Discovery has the Pike arc - he's just shown as so much of a better captain than her, it's a big contrast.

 

[MarkB]

Enemy Mine (the novella, 1979) predates The Return of Starbuck (Galactica 1980, 1980), which predates Enemy Mine (film, 1985).

And that novella won the Hugo and the Nebula awards, so it wasn't obscure at the time. Base credit to Barry Longyear.

Wow, that's later than I thought. I'd always thought of the UFO episode "Survival" as being another Enemy Mine inspired TV episode, but that aired in 1971, so if anything the inspiration would have been the other way around.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

Wow, that's later than I thought. I'd always thought of the UFO episode "Survival" as being another Enemy Mine inspired TV episode, but that aired in 1971, so if anything the inspiration would have been the other way around.

But it was set in 1981!

 

[Morrus]

How many episodes have thee been that are direct callbacks (call forwards?) to TOS episodes? There was the Rokulan warbird one, the Trelane one, this one. I feel like I’m missing some though.