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Star Wars: reboot/remake?

doctorbadwolf

Heretic of The Seventh Circle
Sadly, we will have to wait till KK is no longer involved with Lucasfilm.

Then it will be a GREAT day for Star Wars Fans when the KK-prequels are de-canonized.

I can't wait.

And the whole story of the "Veil" is already a part of CANON, as it is part of the animated series.
Never gonna happen.
 

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Legatus_Legionis

< BLAH HA Ha ha >
One can only hope, and have faith in the FORCE the VEIL will come to be true.

That they don't actually remake episodes 7-8-9, but that any shows that take place after episode 6 makes it that what happened in those films can't take place. Relegating the films to "legends".
 

I suggest a way to start a retcon.

The grand moff Wilhuff Tarking give the last ultimatu to princess Leia, if she didn't reveal the localitation of the rebel base, the planet Aldaraan would be destroyed. She confess it, but Wilhuff Tarking order to shoot. The Deathstar throws a powerful ray and.... this falls in the ocean, or an unpopulated region, and the planet survives.... The grand moff orders a second shot, and then canon crashes, sabotage by infiltrators? Maybe. The new orders are to fix the canon, and then... strange lights appears on the planet, like zaps on a screen, and after Alderaan disappear, like an hologram when it turns off after closing transmission. The sensors only detect a empty space, no fragments at all. What has happened?

Years later, when the secon Deathstar is destroyed in the battle of Endor, the planet Aldaraan reappear again in the same solar system, and for the naives has been some minutes in the time.

At least you could use this idea in your TTRPG.
 

Zardnaar

Legend
I suggest a way to start a retcon.

The grand moff Wilhuff Tarking give the last ultimatu to princess Leia, if she didn't reveal the localitation of the rebel base, the planet Aldaraan would be destroyed. She confess it, but Wilhuff Tarking order to shoot. The Deathstar throws a powerful ray and.... this falls in the ocean, or an unpopulated region, and the planet survives.... The grand moff orders a second shot, and then canon crashes, sabotage by infiltrators? Maybe. The new orders are to fix the canon, and then... strange lights appears on the planet, like zaps on a screen, and after Alderaan disappear, like an hologram when it turns off after closing transmission. The sensors only detect a empty space, no fragments at all. What has happened?

Years later, when the secon Deathstar is destroyed in the battle of Endor, the planet Aldaraan reappear again in the same solar system, and for the naives has been some minutes in the time.

At least you could use this idea in your TTRPG.
I give my player 3 choices for the TTRPG

1. Legends
2. Canon
3. Infinities.

Infinities is when it's anything goes. You might be the pilot in the X-Wing that blows up the Deathstar.

It's always legends for the most part. Mostly because that's the material I own partly because the players are usually more familiar with KoToR than the new canon which requires books.
 

We know sci-fi get old very bad. Today youngest generations miss current technology we can't see in the vintage sci-fi, for example the mobiles.

A reboot of a famous IP as Star Wars is very risky. We know is one of the biggest cash-cows in the enternaiment industry. A new mistake and the fandom could be really angry.

The time travel is canon in SW, and Disney can allow the idea of the multiverse.


A reboot could allow to "update" the high-tech, for example adding nanontechnology and also digital immortality/mind uploading. The lore could allow more force-users factions, not only jedis and siths. The yuuzhan vong could be rewritten and they could use inorganic technology but AI and robots. Maybe a rogue faction found the way to travel time and they started the conquest of the galaxy before Palpatine was born.

How should be the reboot to be forgiven this sacrilege by the fandom?
They already rebooted it in 2014.

Before April 2014, the official Star Wars canon included 6 feature films, 4 TV series, 2 TV movies, over 900 comics, over 100+ RPG sourcebooks and reference books, and over 200 novels, on top of 2 MMORPG's and dozens of video games, and almost all of that was canon by official Lucasfilm canon policies (virtually everything at that time was canon unless it was in the specific Tales or Infinities comic series, or was non-canon alternatives such as Dark Side endings to video games).

After April 2014, they said it was only 6 films and one of those TV series that were canon, and the direction they took SW with after that date was radically different than the direction it went before.

We lost Jaina Solo for Rey. We lost Darth Caedus for Kylo Ren. Han Solo went from a family man to a washed up loser. Leia Organa went from a Jedi Knight and former Head of State of the New Republic to a washed up General.

Luke went from being Grand Master of the Jedi Order, who rebuilt the Jedi and founded the Jedi Praxeum. . .to a washed-up hermit that had completely abandoned the very idea of the Jedi.

Star Wars was already rebooted once, shouldn't have been but it was.
 

Ryujin

Adventurer
They already rebooted it in 2014.

Before April 2014, the official Star Wars canon included 6 feature films, 4 TV series, 2 TV movies, over 900 comics, over 100+ RPG sourcebooks and reference books, and over 200 novels, on top of 2 MMORPG's and dozens of video games, and almost all of that was canon by official Lucasfilm canon policies (virtually everything at that time was canon unless it was in the specific Tales or Infinities comic series, or was non-canon alternatives such as Dark Side endings to video games).

After April 2014, they said it was only 6 films and one of those TV series that were canon, and the direction they took SW with after that date was radically different than the direction it went before.

We lost Jaina Solo for Rey. We lost Darth Caedus for Kylo Ren. Han Solo went from a family man to a washed up loser. Leia Organa went from a Jedi Knight and former Head of State of the New Republic to a washed up General.

Luke went from being Grand Master of the Jedi Order, who rebuilt the Jedi and founded the Jedi Praxeum. . .to a washed-up hermit that had completely abandoned the very idea of the Jedi.

Star Wars was already rebooted once, shouldn't have been but it was.
On the upside, that means that the Star Wars Christmas Special is also no longer canon.
 

Legatus_Legionis

< BLAH HA Ha ha >
They already rebooted it in 2014.

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Star Wars was already rebooted once, shouldn't have been but it was.
So they already had the precedence.

It was rebooted once already (and very badly), then they can do it again, this time with people who know, understand and have a LOVE for Star Wars.
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
It was rebooted once already (and very badly), then they can do it again, this time with people who know, understand and have a LOVE for Star Wars.
So, do you feel it is possible for people who know, understand, and have a LOVE of Star Wars to make a movie you'd disagree with?
 

They already rebooted it in 2014.

Before April 2014, the official Star Wars canon included 6 feature films, 4 TV series, 2 TV movies, over 900 comics, over 100+ RPG sourcebooks and reference books, and over 200 novels, on top of 2 MMORPG's and dozens of video games, and almost all of that was canon by official Lucasfilm canon policies (virtually everything at that time was canon unless it was in the specific Tales or Infinities comic series, or was non-canon alternatives such as Dark Side endings to video games). ...
I think you overestimate the sincerity of "canon". By your definition, the prequel trilogy was just as much of a reboot as the Disney one. Heck, ESB would technically be reboot of "Splinter of the Mind's Eye" (the first book in the EU). It's always been pretty fluid.

So, do you feel it is possible for people who know, understand, and have a LOVE of Star Wars to make a movie you'd disagree with?
If you released RotJ to the people who know, understand, and LOVE Star Wars today, they would complain that Princess Leia is a Mary Sue, Luke is too powerful, Lando was only there for political pandering, and Nien Nunb is racially offensive. Also, something something something Ewoks. 60% rating on Rotten Tomatoes. Edit: And it underperformed financially.
 
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Eltab

Hero
So, do you feel it is possible for people who know, understand, and have a LOVE of Star Wars to make a movie you'd disagree with?
We've seen what using the IP as an engine to print money, or trying to overlay social sensibilities on it (knowingly or not, admittingly or not) have wrought: unsatisfying movies which do not capture That Spark very well.
A group of fans can do better and are unlikely to do worse.
 


Legatus_Legionis

< BLAH HA Ha ha >
So, do you feel it is possible for people who know, understand, and have a LOVE of Star Wars to make a movie you'd disagree with?
To answer your question, YES.

While I liked knowing the background of Anakin SKywalker, how Anakin and Obi-Wan got together, how the Emperor got his political power, the origins of C3PO and R2D2, what lead to the Clone Wars, seeing the world-city of Coruscant, etc.

BUT the adding of Gungans (and how they came across) was a mistake, IMO. It distracted too much.

The wholesale use of CGI characters, while still in its development in 1999, was not yet there. Yoda for one should have stayed as a muppet. He looked TOO fake in CGI, as did Jabba The Hutt. The droid army looked good in CGI.

But look at how well the CGI characters looked just two years later in The Lord of the Rings (2001). Their CGI characters did not look cartoonish. Motion capture like Gollum.

George DID push the boundries of what film making could do. TRUE.

The Prequel trilogy as a WHOLE was GREAT. It added New things to the canon and answered lots of questions, and added some more.

And while I am one whom still dislikes Episode 1 (it was the worst of George's six Star Wars films), I did enjoy watching Episode 2 and 3. And they are all still better than any of the Disney trilogy films!

The Sequel trilogy did not build (they had no source material after all to work from) but instead DESTROYED what came before it.

It is a known fact KK does not love nor understands Star Wars. Why would she alienate her core audience with the "force is female" BS, when it is gender-less (male/female, human/humanoid, etc) and the destroying of George's characters.

When you have ruin johnson making "his movie" and not caring about the trilogy, open plot lines and ignoring canon (ie: a Jedi never throws away their lightsaber, etrc.)

Or Jar Jar abrams's cut-n-paste past movies, instead of doing the "pushing boundraries" which George always tried to do with his Star Wars films in story and technology.

NO, Disney SW under KK was only thinking cash-cow/political agendas, and NOT making the best film and merchandising for the franchise. Just look at how they could not sell Disney trilogy merch anywhere near the rate of the original or even prequel trilogy.

Heck, look on y-tube and fan films like I.M.P.S. The Relentless for a GREAT Star Wars story. The production on that is lightyears ahead of the sequels.

Look at how well people reacted to The Mandalorian.

Look at the technology The Mandalorian created. Instead of a green screen, they used a LED Wall.

That is pushing the boundries.
That is creating new and improved ways of film making.

The Sequels did nothing of the kind, but regurgitate what was done before.


Disney should have adapted something like Dark Empire or the Thrawn Trilogy if they could have found any 'SOURCE MATERIAL" to work from.

They still can, once they use "the Veil".
 

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