D&D General Suggestions for Greyhawk resources?

[Azzy]

Yo, how is the word "Flanaess" pronounced?

I pronounce it Flah-ness.

 

[Voadam]

It also covers even more events that were added after the WoG boxed set than The Adventure Begins does, This includes the Greyhawk Wars, which reshaped the map into what's in the 2024 DMG now.

Good post but a quick correction here, the 2024 DMG Greyhawk is 1e boxed set era map and timeframe pre-Greyhawk Wars reshaping of the setting.

 

[Savnock]

Good post but a quick correction here, the 2024 DMG Greyhawk is 1e boxed set era map and timeframe pre-Greyhawk Wars reshaping of the setting.

Wait, is that correct? The Great Kingdom is split there, which it was not pre-Wars. That's the largest political entity on the map, divvied up. Ahlissa, the Prelacy of Almor, and Medegia are shown as separate entities.

It seems like a strange hybrid of the two, but the landscape looks more like post-Wars than pre-Wars.

Does the DMG state that these are just subunits of the GK, or does it say they are separate states?

 

[Parmandur]

Wait, is that correct? The Great Kingdom is split there, which it was not pre-Wars. That's the largest political entity on the map, divvied up. Ahlissa, the Prelacy of Almor, and Medegia are shown as separate entities.

It seems like a strange hybrid of the two, but the landscape looks more like post-Wars than pre-Wars.

Does the DMG state that these are just subunits of the GK, or does it say they are separate states?

No, the Great Kngdom is still there, but the different sub-areas are labeled, as they were originally for that matter. All of the political units that were eliminated in the Greyhawk Wars are back, and everyone is back to their 1980 borders.

 

[MGibster]

There is the Great Library of Greyhawk wiki that might prove a good resource. There's also the Greyhawk Fanon wiki. I'm going to guess everyone here knows what a wiki is.

 

[Voadam]

Wait, is that correct? The Great Kingdom is split there, which it was not pre-Wars. That's the largest political entity on the map, divvied up. Ahlissa, the Prelacy of Almor, and Medegia are shown as separate entities.

It seems like a strange hybrid of the two, but the landscape looks more like post-Wars than pre-Wars.

Does the DMG state that these are just subunits of the GK, or does it say they are separate states?

Things are labelled a little differently in the 2024 DMG map but it is the 1e timeframe political layout.

Here is the 2024 map, Note things on the right like the Great Kingdom, the Prelacy of Almor and the See of Medegia, also Ahlissa where the Great Kingdom South Province and Aerdiaak where the Great Kingdom North Province were in 1e:

Here is the eastern part of the 1e era map of the Great Kingdom and its North and South province and things like the Prelacy of Almor and the See of Medegia:

Of particular note just to the west of the Great Kingdom is the Prelacy of Almor which was conquered by the Great Kingdom and utterly destroyed in the 2e Greyhawk Wars and did not return in the late 2e/3e WotC tone soft reset with timeline advancement.

Here is a 2e postwar border map:

And here is the 3e Living Greyhawk Gazetteer map of the area, set well after the 2e Greyhawk Wars and again with no Prelacy of Almor:

 

[Savnock]

@Voadam appreciate the context thanks! Almor is on the LG Paizo map from Dungeon etc. iirc despite being in ruins, as is Medegia, so I'd assumed the inclusion of them showed either reconstructed or just labeled destroyed areas. I guess my confusion mainly came from the more distinct separation of the GK regions north and south, but your (very helpful) refefence to the maps helps me see that was always the case.

Have you had a chance to read through the new DMG yet? I'm curious about whether the narrative element is full 1980 or cherrypicks from various eras.

I guess I just find it hard to understand why a publisher would flush the excellent Sargent or Paizo material. I get players can feel tied to the plotlines of an era when they started and/or strongly dislike change of all sorts, but the company which generated all that excellent material chucking it out is pretty bizarre.

Then again, we're in the Age of the Reboot, where complexity and lengthy narrative are often discarded in the name of wider consumer appeal.

Guess I'm getting grognard myself these days. Funny how the wheel turns!

 

[zenopus]

I pronounce it Flah-ness.

Seconded. That's how I've pronounced it since the 80s. At least in my mind. Not sure I've ever said it out loud to anyone (even while playing in a Greyhawk campaign for 6+ years in the 2010s).

 

[Parmandur]

@Voadam appreciate the context thanks! Almor is on the LG Paizo map from Dungeon etc. iirc despite being in ruins, as is Medegia, so I'd assumed the inclusion of them showed either reconstructed or just labeled destroyed areas. I guess my confusion mainly came from the more distinct separation of the GK regions north and south, but your (very helpful) refefence to the maps helps me see that was always the case.

Look also to Iuz: the Cambions territory ia back to it's pre-Wars bounds, the Horned Society is back and with their pre-war borders, The Shield Lands are back to their pre-War borders, the Bandit Kingdoms are back to their pre-War territory, the Hunting Lamds (previously the Rovers of the Barrens) are back, etc.

A complete reboot.

I guess I just find it hard to understand why a publisher would flush the excellent Sargent or Paizo material. I get players can feel tied to the plotlines of an era when they started and/or strongly dislike change of all sorts, but the company which generated all that excellent material chucking it out is pretty bizarre.

The idea was to give a complete but barebones tool for DMs: so, this is basically a re-do of the 1980 Folio, in the DMG.

 

[pemerton]

this is basically a re-do of the 1980 Folio

But with less information about troop numbers and kit?